Why being a 'drunk punk' and an 'anarchist' don't actually go together...

[hassysmacker]

So, I'm fairly sure its not an articulated plan, but theres no coincidence there are cornerstores selling cheap alcohol in most every ghetto. If a disenfranchised, oppressed people are not kept busy/pacified, they often wind up getting miltant about fighting the socio-economic conditions they've been handed. of course humans have a penchant for intoxicantsd regardless, but lets not forget the way that they can be used in an oppressive fashion.

the things is about the rez casinos/etc, is their culture got broken, their land got stolen, and they got relocated to barren, destitute lands where they can't really support themselves from the landbase. Go figure a broken culture is forced to play into capitalism, and so, they made a niche, and stay there, because it keeps them afloat, and also, many people, though indigenous by nature, for all intents and purposes wind up identifying more as business people, then as tribepeople.

but fuck "anarchists" who aren't doing any positive work whatsoever in any communities, just getting drunk, travelling, and talking shit, perpetually. fuck that. lets have an honest appraisal of who we are, and what we're doing, and what we're accomplishing.

i feel like that wasn't very well composed, but, oh well.

 

[ary]

up the drunks........

 

[Crisp]

What the hell else are you gonna spend your busk money on? There's really nothing else to do when you're traveling but to get swilly

 

[614 crust]

Just for the record, stealing booze doesn't fuck the corporations, only the stores selling the alcohol. As long as you are consuming the corporations are making money off of you, whether you pay or not.

That said, I've always thought it was a hilarious paradox, seeing self-proclaimed anarchists and anti-capitalists drink corporate beer and smoke corporate cigarettes. This thread is a good one. Glad that anyways wasn't afraid to voice his controversial opinion.

AS I SAID I DON'T CONSIDER MYSELF AN ANARCHIST AND I COULD REALLY CARE LESS AS LONG AS I'M NOT PAYING FOR IT. I DRINK TO ENJOY MYSELF AS PEOPLE HAVE BEEN DOING EVERY SINCE ALCOHOL WAS FIRST CREATED.

now some of you have said the gOVT USES IT TO KEEP US PACIFIED. HA COME HANG OUT WITH ME AFTER A HALF GALLON AND YOU MIGHT JUST SEE A STARBUCKS GET destroyed.

 

[usuallyonthefloorsomewher]

pissing in the wind.

 

[usuallyonthefloorsomewher]

steal the beer you anarchist.
--raise the price over time for the poor people trying to buy it. cut profits for the store and force them to freeze raises or lower pay to those same poor people.
burn down that starbucks.
--insurance company picks up the repair tab. 20 baristas are out of work for weeks/months. insurance premiums slowly go up and cost legitimate small business owners and regular people more money.

destroying public property, corporate property, and private property creates ripples that grow and negatively effect us all. unless youre sooo off the grid you anarchist.

stealing shit hurts small business owners, taking food out of their mouths. safeway execs dont feel that pinch. the cashier and stocker does. slowly the prices go up and a 40 costs 5bucks.

youre not an anarchist. youre selfish.

 

[willskith]

AS I SAID I DON'T CONSIDER MYSELF AN ANARCHIST AND I COULD REALLY CARE LESS AS LONG AS I'M NOT PAYING FOR IT.

Never said you were, I was just stating something.

 

[614 crust]

steal the beer you anarchist.
--raise the price over time for the poor people trying to buy it. cut profits for the store and force them to freeze raises or lower pay to those same poor people.
burn down that starbucks.
--insurance company picks up the repair tab. 20 baristas are out of work for weeks/months. insurance premiums slowly go up and cost legitimate small business owners and regular people more money.

destroying public property, corporate property, and private property creates ripples that grow and negatively effect us all. unless youre sooo off the grid you anarchist.

stealing shit hurts small business owners, taking food out of their mouths. safeway execs dont feel that pinch. the cashier and stocker does. slowly the prices go up and a 40 costs 5bucks.

youre not an anarchist. youre selfish.

IN CASE YOU MISSED IT I SAID I WASN'T AN ANARCHIST. i rarely steal anything and if i do it sure as hell isn't from some small business. and as for the starbucks thing obviously you missed the fucking point there. AND I WOULD NEVER DAMAGE PRIVATE PROPERTY. SO my suggestion TO YOU is to shut tHE FUCK UP SINCE YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T KNOW ME AND THEREFORE HAVE NO FUCKING IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

 

[macks]

Do people drink because they don't care or do they not care because they drink? The world may never know, because everyone is too drunk to care.

"but fuck "anarchists" who aren't doing any positive work whatsoever in any communities, just getting drunk, travelling, and talking shit, perpetually. fuck that. lets have an honest appraisal of who we are, and what we're doing, and what we're accomplishing." - hassysmacker

Word. Shit gets on my nerves. It's all well and good going out and having some fun, seeing the country and all that. But really, there's gotta be some shit you wanna do eventually to try and make things better right? Right?

 

[Dial]

Run a homemade distillery and sell alcohol at a fraction of the price, since there are no taxes going to the government, and it has a much higher APV, too.

 

[Pheonix]

Run a homemade distillery and sell alcohol at a fraction of the price, since there are no taxes going to the government, and it has a much higher APV, too.

when you sell it is when the ATF start watching you and planning their raid

 

[kimberr]

Run a homemade distillery and sell alcohol at a fraction of the price, since there are no taxes going to the government, and it has a much higher APV, too.

That's definitely the way to do it. I would prefer to drink someones homemade booze any day. Never get as bad as headaches on the shit that isn't mass produced too.

 

[Amish]

i like beer, i like smoking, i could give a fuck less who ever is making money over it, i really dont care either way , though i gotta agree, if your an anarchist and your want complete chaos, down with large/major corporations ect. then stand for what you say you are, stop smoking those ciggerettes and drinking that beer, eating that fast food or even those left overs, maybe even stop breathing, cause almost anything you do , or anything youll spend money on, or steal. you will do nothing more then build up strength in those areas for the gov/corp out there. get a farm grow/brew/raise all the things you need and not be dependant on the things you claim to hate aso much.
if you like to drink beer awesome(dont forget sharing is caring)
if you like to smoke great (got a one you can spare )
in any case do what makes you happy and be able to enjoy life with out causeing annoyance and grief to those who might throw you off of cliff, just be and know who you are, and please if your gonna claim your an anarchist know what the fuck your talking about in the first place

 

[HBD Junyor]

As stated before I think that its obvious there are some enjoyable things in life which are unable to be attained relatively easily without going through one corporate entity or another. Yeah, technically you could abstain from drinking smoking in order to "put a dent" in the "system", but really, what the fuck difference would it make even if every single "Anarchist", "punk" "crusty" or hobo boycotted vice? Already this is a minority fringe demographic, every non politically minded poor person is still gonna indulge in what has been the poor persons relief since the fucking roman empire. It is bread and circus, but I don't see why it isn't possible to take the stance of "I'm gonna consume your product and still fight to destroy you because I like your product and want to make it better and more accessible and not controlled by you?" Besides the point that if your killing yourself than you can't possibly be a very productive member of society, and when your dead you get to finally not participate in the system.
(I'm aware my logic is slightly flawed so feel free to criticize)

 

[RideMoreTrains]

this is to the original poster. first of all there are no set of rules to being an anarchist. anarchy is not a lifestyle. to me its labor politics. sure labor politics influence my lifestyle but lifestyle is not the philosophy. i can be an anarchist and still get drunk.

i like to drink and i do it quite often. i ain't out there chuggin 211 either nor do i have to drink. i go periods without drinking at all especially when it interrupts with work on my bros farm. i go longer with out a drink than i can a joint which is often considered safe and natural. i also drink a lot of micro-brews/local bourbons (i love KY) and do not support multi-national companies. most micro-brews are owned by people that just love making/drinking good beer and don't have billion dollar ad campaigns.
some micro brews (if not most) are worker owned and operated.

 

[Myechtatel]

i'm not going to read every post here. i just want to say that i agree wholeheartedly. i'm not exactly a shining image of an anarchist but i believe everything counts. you have to make change to perpetuate it. whether it's not eating meat, not drinking, not watching television, dumpsterdiving.... it's a small step towards being a better person and making the world a better place. of course when you accuse someone of being less radical than you, they're going to point out your weaknesses to cope with their own. but then what are you left with? people need to learn to help each other. people who drink and smoke and claim to be anarchists know it's hypocritical. so help them. same goes with anything else that's pro-capitalist. using the internet, whatever. we're all guilty. i will say though that i have recently started traveling, met a lot of people on the road and been to a rainbow gathering and i was surprised and dissapointed how many travelers are not radical minded at but just young hobos. dirty drunk apathetic and apolitical. it warms my heart to know that people like you("anyways") are out there.

 

[outskirts]

Shitty coffee is reason enough for someone to burn down a Starsucks! lol

 

[Dameon]

I don't get why people think traveling and being an anarchist are supposed to be the same thing. Just because it's become trendy in anarchist communities to hop a train doesn't mean that the traveling community at large has anything to do with anarchy. Personally, I'm sick of people eating out of dumpsters just because their friends are doing it and they think they're bringing down the corporations. Me and MY friends do it because we need to eat, and every douchebag anarchist doing it to be cool means less food for me.

This isn't a matter of travelers becoming apolitical, this is a matter of hipster anarchists becoming travelers because everybody at their Food Not Bombs house thinks that hopping a train is super anarchist. Then they get pissed off at travelers because we didn't all hop on a train so we could write a zine about it and how we're screwing the government by not following their rules. It's bullshit, and it's annoying. Life on the road has nothing to do with anarchy for most people, and it never has. I want nothing to do with anarchists; most of them are elitist assholes who think the world revolves around them, and who really only want to hang out with other anarchists who will jerk them off while they talk about how they're changing the world by eating out of the trash.

 

[HackTrick]

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[Monkeywrench]

I love how anarchists feel the need to police the traveling community.