Why being a 'drunk punk' and an 'anarchist' don't actually go together...

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if its been said once its been said a million times....here it goes again......

because all our friends are....because we can't get along with anyone...because we always wear black anyway....because we like writing circle a's on everything....because the parties are better....because we want a political reason for being on welfare.....because its the coolest.....because everybody looks cool in a balaclava.....because everyone rejects us anyway....because we don't want to stand on the street coroner and sell the socialist worker for 50 (what the hell there is no cents sign on this keyboard)....because we like big boots...because the poster art is funkier...because army surplus is so cheap...because it makes spitting acceptable.....because we don't like to wash our cloths...because socialists never put fuck in their chants....because there are no bad hair days....because we are so disorganized that no one can take over the movement...because we never have to show up on time, show up well dressed, or show up at all if we don't want to...because we can scorn consumption yet still drink beer...because anyone can sing the music...because hierarchy's so much more effective when its unacknowledged... because it politicizes kleptomania...because anything can be blamed on the state...because following the recipe is boring...because we can't stick to one ideology...because its fun to beak the law...because you can dream of dying heroically if not painfully...because who can get thru das kapitol anyway...because we are easily bored...because we can glorify our poverty...because there is nothing like the adrenaline rush of jaywalking.....because the flags are so easy to make...because of noam....because jail gives you an excuse ta eat meat and watch t.v....because we are bitter and cynical...because it pisses off our parents...because we need a theory for everything...because we like our attitude problems.... because we doubt....for these and for no particular reasons at all we are anarkishts..
 

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Honestly I've questioned myself on why i'm purchasing smokes and booze.
 

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Honestly I've questioned myself on why i'm purchasing smokes and booze.
Well one can always grow they're own tobacco and make they're own booze. I've done both, lots of work
though, especially when you have a lot of other projects on your plate.
 

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It goes together, because it makes you utterly useless to society..but the downside is that it makes you utterly useless.
 

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Well one can always grow they're own tobacco and make they're own booze. I've done both, lots of work
though, especially when you have a lot of other projects on your plate.

I'm trying to quit smoking..already quit drinking
 

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yeh i definitely see yer point. there's a lot of stuff this shit applies to as well.

personally, i've never paid for booze. well, i mean i've never paid for booze in a way where money would get to the corporations that make it. and yehh idk anyway, corporations are pure evil in general but it doesn't mean every booze corporation is equally pure evil. some might be on the not-so-bad end of the scale. then again maybe they are, and tobacco companies sure as fuck are.

anyway, idk what the solution is for people that can't help but booze it up. steal yer shit? you'll get caught eventually. buy lemon/orange extract and drink that shit? you've all think ya got too much class for that. make yer own? well ya damn well should but most of us don't stick in one place for long so we've barely got long enough for primary fermentation on some sock-flavoured dumpster-fruit wine to complete, let alone stick around for the months-to-years it takes to get a decent flavour to it.

but if yer staying in one place and you booze it up much, you better be making yer own rather than buying it, that's fer sure.
 

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Just because it's become trendy in anarchist communities to hop a train doesn't mean that the traveling community at large has anything to do with anarchy. Personally, I'm sick of people eating out of dumpsters just because their friends are doing it and they think they're bringing down the corporations. Me and MY friends do it because we need to eat, and every douchebag anarchist doing it to be cool means less food for me.

This isn't a matter of travelers becoming apolitical, this is a matter of hipster anarchists becoming travelers because everybody at their Food Not Bombs house thinks that hopping a train is super anarchist. Then they get pissed off at travelers because we didn't all hop on a train so we could write a zine about it and how we're screwing the government by not following their rules. It's bullshit, and it's annoying. Life on the road has nothing to do with anarchy for most people, and it never has. I want nothing to do with anarchists; most of them are elitist assholes who think the world revolves around them, and who really only want to hang out with other anarchists who will jerk them off while they talk about how they're changing the world by eating out of the trash.

i agree some anarchists can be very elitist, but so can train hopping schwilly kids and punk rockers and just about any other social group. Some of your statements come off sounding pretty elitist too. so anarchists eat out of dumpsters because its trendy and cool, but you and your "REAL" traveler friends do it because you have to? really come on. just about anyone who travels can get foodstamps if they really want. in my opinion, anyone who travels is a REAL traveler. it seems ur doing exactly what ur bitching about as far as the us vs them mentality, always trying to out do eachother instead of just being accepting of one another. Even if its some harvard law student eating out of the dumpster- awesome, more power to them! at least theyre trying to do something. Better they do that than go buy a big mac. this mentality that you have more of a right to eat out of the dumpster or hop trains than someone else is juvenile.
 
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i think drinking is kinda dumb my self. but i used to do alot of drugs when i was unger. i will be 30 this year and i smoke alot of tobacco because i like to smoke. i will drink once in a blue moon. but it kinda bugs me to see people drinking to get fucked up every day, or smoking pot all day for that matter. at the same time, i dont have to be around them, and if they happen to be in my place when they get stupid i ask them to leave. so to each his/her own.
 
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i agree some anarchists can be very elitist, but so can train hopping schwilly kids and punk rockers and just about any other social group. Some of your statements come off sounding pretty elitist too. so anarchists eat out dumpsters because its trendy and cool, but you and your "REAL" traveler friends do it because you have to? really come on. just about anyone who travels can get foodstamps if they really want. in my opinion, anyone who travels is a REAL traveler. it seems ur doing exactly what ur bitching about as far as the us vs them mentality, always trying to out do one eachother instead of just being accepting of one another. Even if its some harvard law student eating out of the dumpster- awesome, more power to them! at least theyre trying to do something. Better they do that than go buy a big mac. this mentality that you have more of a right to eat out of the dumpster than someone else is juvenile.
agree
 

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do what you want, as long as your not hurting anyone around you fuck what they think about your actions and reasons. you are your own person, just live your life.
 

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everyone has to play into the system in one way or another so i can't touch that cuz i'm also guilty but i think this post is totally valuable because it is the kind of attitude i try to have. questioning everything shouldn't stop at the things you like about the system or the stuff that helps you cope with it. i also think people are a little too worried about looking like a wingnut by being openly concerned about "what's really going on". i just think it's oppressive behavior for someone to say "hey guys, you might want to pay attention to this" and then they get mostly responses about how they are going overboard with it because the shit they are talking about is pretty scary if it's true and not easy to prove.

however, the government does a lot of shady shit and thinking anything is "too much" with them seems kind of naive. i think its extremely interesting how on the Pascua Yaqui reservation out here (az) you can get smokes for cheap, booze for cheap, and you can gamble. why would they allow native americans all this leeway with vices to do it on their land? it's supposed to create jobs and revenue for their tribe, but i think it's to get them hung up on addictions. that way they can't get pissed and take back their land, which by the way, a huge part of their holy land is cut off by the mexican border. seriously though, i talked to a guy that used to work for union pacific out here and he told me out near the rez there's always people jumping in front of trains and laying down on the tracks because their lives are fucked and they are in a hopeless position in society. not to mention the fact that genetically they have found that native american genetics make them prone to heavy drinking and they can't metabolize alcohol like most races so it's just a huge mess that i think worked in the u.s. governments favor by accident at first, but now i think they take advantage of it... aye, ok im ranting. sorry.

I like this grrls point of view. Sorry. Woman's point of view, You are on tip...slang for my county Tipton. The only borders are those that we create or abide by.
 

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BTW. I relate to all American Indians (hate that term) since I am part Cherokee and Irish.
 

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i have endless fun pretending and dont gotta drink piss or huff smoke
 

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Alcohol isn't social control. We've been drinking since (at least) we started farming thousands of years ago. Corporations produce alcohol because people like it. Not everything is a conspiracy.
 

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Alcohol isn't social control. We've been drinking since (at least) we started farming thousands of years ago. Corporations produce alcohol because people like it. Not everything is a conspiracy.

It's a pretty popular sentiment that farming thousands of years ago was the beginning of social control as we know it. If you want to talk more about that, read some of the primitivism threads.
Not everything is a conspiracy, but pretty much everything that is bought or sold today has a connection to oppressors.



i have endless fun pretending and dont gotta drink piss or huff smoke
haha, I almost loled
 

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It's a pretty popular sentiment that farming thousands of years ago was the beginning of social control as we know it. If you want to talk more about that, read some of the primitivism threads.
Not everything is a conspiracy, but pretty much everything that is bought or sold today has a connection to oppressors.

agreed^^^
 
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Just figured i'd bring this up. when you steal beer, you're stealing from the supermarket, who paid for it already.

I'll still do it when i can and will even buy booze if i really want it bad enough to look past the "moral" (for lack of a better word) implications.

On an unrelated side note, has anyone ever been to barclay house in Baltimore? I forget the dudes name but the band i'm in stayed/played there on tour and the guy with home brew tatted on his knucks made some of the best tasting beverage that i was ever blessed to have pass my lips.
 

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I love this thread. I really do. :D
 

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you definatley have a point there, it would be much more anarchist to grow your own tabacco and brew your own beer. theres always pabst which makes a fine brew and colt 45 and is family run. but asfar as i am personally concerned, before i even thought of the consecuences (at about 10 years old) i was already smoking a pack a day and chgging asmuch booze as i could get my hands on and have been fucked ever since. ive tried to quit several times but it has yet to stick. it becomes a craveing that is easier to feed than put off because your feeding into the system, and besides, after you grab some food from the worker owned supermarket with the money you spanged up in the hot sun all day, i nice bugler and ice cold brew definatley hits the spot hahaha
 

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