Smashing racism on the road

[EphemeralStick]

Fag is completely a derogatory term shitdick. As a gay male if someone calls me a fag they better be ready for an ass kicking.
Why are you even still here? No one agrees with you, you clearly have stated that you're done with this site, so why are you still trying? Why don't you go be the "better" person and leave?

Rare is it that I miss being a mod but Christ do I wish I could be the one to ban your narrow minded, bigot ass.

 

[LiveFreeDieFree]

Okay buddy. Im not the one putting my cock in a dudes asshole so shitdick is a title for people like you.

And im sooo racist eh? Youre a fucking tool. If I am so racist theb why are most of my friends non whites? Get a fucking clue kid. And while I dont necessarily agree with homosexuality I believe thay its ones right to choose their own orientation. And ill tell you what, 'fag' is only offensive if you are ashamed of it. My friend who I just texted the link to this thread laughed when I told him of this discussion. He told me to call you a fag but I have more respect than that. I wont do it because I know it offends you.

I dont insult you for your choices and id appreciate the same respect. Bigot? Narrow minded? Umm, no.

 

[Odin]

I also believe in freedom of speech... and I'm not sure I have formulated a complete idea here.
But.
I think there may be a difference between a race... any race white or otherwise... gathering together to preach what was that thing... uh... when people had to go to different schools and public facilities based on race....
...
..
. um... oh yea.. segregation.

if a group any group gathers in order to promote segregation or curtailing of the rights of any other race. Then that is kinda bogus dude.

See you have the freedom to preach negative and possibly hateful things... no doubt I believe you do... but then people have a right to respond to that in a defensive maybe equally aggressive way if they feel threatened also.

and that is a fine line. if its only words then only words should respond. if one side takes a... violent action... self defense is a right. I suppose that's just another way of saying Hammurabies code is still in effect.
I wish it wasn't eye for an eye sucks... and I'm the first to make attempts at ... Nonviolent resistance via Ghandi when i am confronted with aggression... but society seems to often go the other way.

Basically... all I'm justifying is that... if a bunch of people get together and shout... gay is wrong and black people scare us... then the gays and blacks are allowed to stand on the other side and shout back. Gay is awesome and fun and your a bunch of fraidy cats... go eat kitty litter. BOO.

But no... violence... the first instigation of violence is culpable in such a situation.


Going back to groups that advocate segregation.

You can segregate in private properties... and families I suppose... but not in public and governmental affairs. Its... well the world it way too interconnected economical and environmentally now for one thing... and the days of complete racial separation is most likely an artifact of technology. In that I'm saying races stayed separate to a degree in early development. Hunter-gather.... tribes excetera... but as technology and human curiosity exponentially increases... the possibility of isolation is less probable. at least until we hit the stars... then... ... well then a group can claim a planet or moon... ... and isolate if they choose. but even then that is all technology dependent. you can only enforce your ideals so far as your might and your opponents pacifist morals hold out I suppose.

As for lol
If a bunch a whites got together to celebrate they're own culture... independent of criticizing other races... then I don't see an issue.

I think we have stuff like that... like Bavarian Beer and Schnitzel fest. MmMM... beer and sausage and blond ladies wearing a tight bodice... "drools"...

Pluss I think the really big issue is... that yea... all these racial a sexual issues of public discouse are complicated and real... but On the GLOBAL level.

There is not real racial sexual cultural divide...(EDIt... no there those divide... its just the >>> is more ... consequentiall... mebe... ) there is only the ECONOMIC DIVIDE.

At least that is my sneaking suspicion.
After all... even among whites blacks browns yellows reds pinks gays straights jocks nerdspunks crazy what what and wingnuts like myself... there is a divide of have... and have nots.

 

[LiveFreeDieFree]

I hope you can open your fucking mind pal. You think that im a bigot? People like you are what gives intelligent, opinionated white people the label 'racist'. I think you've got to look up the word dude. Ive never stated that I haye other races. Only that id prefer to not live among them. I also stated that this is NOT RACISM.
Just as you are free to choose who you bed down with, I am free to choose who I associate with. Why then am I a bigot and youre just a lovable queer? You hate on me because I prefer my own people, and call me names. I never insulted you but somehow im the bad guy and you're the saint. Wtf is wrong with you people?

 

[LiveFreeDieFree]

I dislike you dude. Not because you are a sausage junkie or fanny bandit but because you have come down on me for expressing myself. I dont believe in homosexuality but I never came down on you for being one.
If I do meet you ill have the same respect ive had on here. I will not intentionally offend you. But be warned, you talk to me like that in my face and youll get a smiley.
Happy sailing.

 

[Matt Derrick]

I dislike you dude. Not because you are a sausage junkie or fanny bandit but because you have come down on me for expressing myself. I dont believe in homosexuality but I never came down on you for being one.
If I do meet you ill have the same respect ive had on here. I will not intentionally offend you. But be warned, you talk to me like that in my face and youll get a smiley.
Happy sailing.

And the insensitive, confused, asshole white cis male of the week award goes to... *drum roll* @LiveFreeDieFree!

As a reward for your confused and ass-backwards thinking, you're getting a luxury all expenses paid vacation to... anywhere but here!

Meaning you're banned. Have fun!

 

[MolotovMocktail]

I have no sympathy for bigots who claim that their FIrst Amendment rights are being violated for having their hate speech stifled. It's ridiculous that there are some people who claim that they're being "persecuted for their beliefs" when people try to prevent them from saying the hateful and threatening things that contribute to a culture of hate.
Hate speech is currently covered under the First Amendment unless it "is directed to inciting imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action (Brandenburg v. Ohio, 1969)." Generally hate speech isn't included in this even though it's this kind of speech that makes people think that harassment of minorities, whether verbal or physical, is acceptable and contributes to higher suicide rates in people (especially youth) of racial minorities or those who identify as LGBTQ.

(I spent all of last week working on a 12-page research paper on First Amendment rights in schools so it's kind of taken over my brain. )

 

[Deleted member 125]

from what ive just read about livefreediefree (is this not the same person that matt and i and some others got into it about him saying gg allin was cool...?) this is the kind of person who after a few drinks on a train would get mad and start a fight, its amazing how many people that consider themselves part of the travelling/punk/train hopping/hitchhiking etc community are like this. like i said before its just not worth the time to educate these people on why they are idiots anymore, hell the guy is a idiot. fuck him. if i ever ran into him (im sure i wouldnt even know it was him and nor him me) ide avoid him and be on alert, same as i do with most STRANGERS. just because somebody has a antischism backpatch doesnt make them a nice person.

 

[shabti]

. just because somebody has a antischism backpatch doesnt make them a nice person.

Haha brilliant

 

[technotrash]

"...turn the peaceful protest into an all out brawl by throwing rocks and other debris at the nazis."
I don't understand...why wouldn't you throw rocks at the nazis?
edit: AHA oh wow i just read the rest of the thread. Fuck this guy.

 

[technotrash]

but anyway, un-derailing the thread,
i think a pretty good strategy for dealing with racism and homophobia thats been pretty popular lately is to do basically what everyone just did, when someone spouts it call them out on it.
of course, if you're traveling you might not always be in safe company so sometimes you have to keep quiet.
i guess it comes down to rule #1: pick a good buddy and stick with them.

 

[Deleted member 20]

I actually could have been the guy who liked some of gg allins music & mentioned it. I dont suppot most of what he said or did. I strictly liked his music for music especially his cover "Carmelita. The pain is palpable in that song. I am in no way trying to deflect this negative attention on me but wanted to clear that up, jik. Please dont confuse me with some nazi biggot for liking a dead freaks music, maybe not all of his lyrics or message. No matter how twisted & perverse what ever his crazy message was. When i hear music i dont hear lyrics & cant sing along with any songs word for word. I hear emotions & passion.

 

[Deleted member 125]

to be fair...his cover of carmelita is pretty on point, but man you just cant beat warren zevon!

 

[Frypan Meatboots]

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[Frypan Meatboots]

Is it dangerous / life-threatening to travel alone across the country as a homosexual?

 

[Deleted member 21003]

@Frypan Meatboots

Honestly, it can be, but I think it is possible to be safe by directing conversations where you want them to go and being confident. It doesn't hurt to plan ahead though! I don't think traveling is completely a white cis hetero game, but it definitely feels that way at times. It also depends on where you are going I think...

 

[Frypan Meatboots]

Yeah. I just didn't know if like I would be in a trainyard or group spot with other people and then some would be like "oh he isn't straight let's kick that fa**'s ass!" Figured I could get like an estimated percent chance of that happening from some more experienced folks.

Or whether it is common to come across various riders who are homosexual. I know there are a lot of homosexuals at homeless shelters... but I am talking about trainyards and squats and shit.

 

[Deleted member 20683]

i think for better and worse you find more of all types of people on the margins of society. i feel like i ran across a pretty high amount of queer folks in my travels. but ya know you might get more assholes like LFDF up there. head on a swivel !

& yknow - we got resurgent fascism in this country in part because of no-rules, absolutist free speech online spaces like 4chan for them to organize in. there is no such thing as "free speech" anyway because all speech has costs/consequences. as one racist oogle recently found out...also let's not forget that matt is not the federal gov't, this site is supposed to be his (& the community's) free speech which has no obligation to platform vile garbage. StP banhammer 4 lyfe ! ! !

 

[Frypan Meatboots]

Yeah. I feel like this country has gotten a lot better with being more tolerant of others, though. I felt like there would be a lot of people that are not straight traveling and riding because we are more prone to having our families disown us and hate us and stuff. I just didn't know if there were homophobes rampant on the rails that go after any people they can get at the are not straight.

 

[Gwasher]

just throwing it out there, when I was in Europe they called cigerettes "fags", its not always a derogatory term. Context is 100%.