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[veggieguy12]

"Pro-Life" is not about babies, it's about subordinating women to men.
"Pro-Life" is about reinstating the man as the dominant force, the decision-making power-holder at the top of the family-unit pyramid.

Can I recommend some resources:
I got a pamphlet on Jane (Chicago's 1960's underground abortion service) at The Black Rose Collective in Portland, OR, and there's a documentary about JANE, too.
Some other recommended movies on this subject are "If These Walls Could Talk", and "4 Months, 3 Weeks and 2 Days", "Vera Drake", and the dark comedy "Citizen Ruth"; and these documentaries which I haven't seen: "Unborn in the USA" & "Lake of Fire" (long!, but with info about the doctor-killers).

 

[mkirby]

"Pro-Life" is not about babies, it's about subordinating women to men.
"Pro-Life" is about reinstating the man as the dominant force, the decision-making power-holder at the top of the family-unit pyramid.

Exactly.

 

[NickCofphee]

"Pro-Life" is not about babies, it's about subordinating women to men.
"Pro-Life" is about reinstating the man as the dominant force, the decision-making power-holder at the top of the family-unit pyramid.

True. Remember you can think abortion is unethical. But Pro-Life is saying "ILLEGAL". My friend made a good call on saying it's "putting a police state on a woman's body."

 

[kai]

I 100% agree with you. I think that the zine you mentioned on JANE is an excellent read for everyone. I'm sick of all these pro-life fucking assholes, preaching about their lord and his compassion and love for people then running around making other people's lives hell. If jesus were around i'm sure these fuckers would pin him up on cross and kill him to, right wing, religious moralists have got to be some of the most backwards ass shit heads this planet has to deal with.

Too bad all those pro-life, right winger dogmatic wingnuts parents didn't have abortions.

I also think to justify not having an abortion by putting a child up for adoption is totally bogus. I'm totally pro-choice and think everyone gets theirs but fuck, how many kids already live in foster homes that have no one that wants them. I've known and met many of these kids and I have seen very clearly that growing up from foster home to foster home to group home has not done them alot of good. The amount of children who are put up for adoption to those adopted is not balanced. I mean practice birth control but shit, accidents happen.

I also think that the statistic 50% of births could lead to death is totally bogus.

I also think adoption is a great idea for people who want children and or if people just want to keep their family name going they could donate a bench to a park and get a plaque put on it.

 

[ianfernite]

I really wish I could find more 'pro-abortion' folks. I can't be the only one, right?

 

[Dameon]

I'm going to get a fetus out of a dumpster, get a taxidermist to stuff it, and turn it into "Pappy the Pro-Life Puppet".

 

[ianfernite]

Do you think you could keep your aborted fetus? Having one in a jar would make for an interesting centerpiece or something.

 

[macks]

I also think that the statistic 50% of births could lead to death is totally bogus.

I know, I'd put it at 100%.

 

[drun_ken]

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So, to close this rant, I think that it's nobody else's fucking business what a woman does with her body,

what about the father...i'm pro-choice....but my choice is let my child live please....don't get me wrong i'm not all about pushing out puppies left and right....and in the long run if the gurrl i got pregnat was set on abortion and i could not change her mind then i wouldn't hate her for it and short of trying some "boston legal" sue you cuz yer killing my kid bullshit what could i do....it upsets me when people leave the fathers out of this whole discussion....it takes two ta tango....

 

[mkirby]

When Frida Khalo's baby came out dead she made the doctors bring it to her in a jar and she painted a picture of it.

Do you think you could keep your aborted fetus? Having one in a jar would make for an interesting centerpiece or something.

 

[drun_ken]

Do you think you could keep your aborted fetus? Having one in a jar would make for an interesting centerpiece or something.

there wer 2 kidws in athens ga...fuk what were their names...i can't remember but she had a miss...shade and chealsy...caraige they kept it in a jar in their freezer...side note they lived in a house that had the address "666 pulaskie"

 

[Mouse]

. I don't care if other women have 49845734 abortions. I just couldn't bring myself to do it.

I used the say the same damn thing... and then the condom slipped off. shit happens. if you know damn well you can't take care of a kid, then you shouldn't have one. but even taking lenghts to protect yourself, things will still go wrong. as tough as you think you may be, you'll have to decided and at your age, more than likely, you'll make the same choice I did.

I had to have one recently. I was devastated. my fiance was devastated. it wasn't as easy as it seems. I knew as soon as the pink plus sign showed up that I couldn't have a child but damn it it was a painful choice. I wouldn't wish that type of situation on anyone. I even had people offering to take the kid if I carried it to term and I knew there was no way that would work.

I think that, yes, it is the woman's choice but the man involved should have huge input. my man and I do want to have kids together, but there is no way we could do it now.

I think abortion should be kept legal but more importantly it should be covered by health care providers and funds to help people get an abortion should be more accessible. In theory it seems like a no brainer.. I'm too broke to pay $400 to get this thing fixed, there's gotta be some woman's fund out there to help, right? Not really. Trust me, it's not as simple as you think. they will lend you money, maybe. but not likely. the only free money I came across was afund for people almost at the time limit, which if you didn't end up qualifying for some reason at the point the abortion would cost $200 more. Its completely a no win situation.


I think that one of the things that keeps abortions from being cheaper and more easily attainable is the pharmacy companies. they can't force feed you birth control for half your life if you have the option of condoms, plan b, or the unfortunate abortion cheaply available. even plan b costs jsut over $50 a pop. WHY? bullshit.

 

[veggieguy12]

When a man has to carry for 10 months, give the birth, nurse the infant, and not be able to bounce on the upbringing, then I'll give a shit what he says about it.
Fellas who want to have kids should talk about her want before sticking and dicking, and fellas who don't wanna go for an abortion should get sterilized - only way to be sure.

 

[wartomods]

i dont care much , our experiences and memories make us humans . Abortion just kills a potential human, i agree with it, (until ten weeks)

 

[Arapala]

I think that it's nobody else's fucking business what a woman does with her body.)

Could not have said it better.

 

[madewithpaint]

I am 100% pro-abortion. If the numbers given on the "pro life" (bahahaha) shirts I've seen at school are accurate (which I doubt), abortion has prevented a lot of humans. I back that.

Hooray for population control!

 

[Dirty Rig]

I'm a dude. I have no right to have an opinion, so I don't. Go do yo thang, girlz!

 

[veggieguy12]

Lemme just ask my pal-in-hiding, a rapper named 2Pac, to back me up:
"Cause wild seeds can't grow, we need more abortions." -Wordz to My First Born

This thread has taken-on more importance given the murder in Wichita, KS and the murder in Hillsboro, OR.

 

[RnJ]

I am pro-life, as in supporting adoption, being against the death penalty, and abhor violence & war. However, I think that "personal rights" in the West have become excessive, and are more rooted in selfish individualism than any collective good.

I don't understand how everyone in the land of milk and honey sees freedom as their greater individual personal entitlement, rather than their greater responsibility. I say this to both Christians and non-Christians.

I think we're a sex-addicted society, which wants it whenever it can get it, without limits, without consequences. Abortions are a short term solution to the much greater problem of a society and economy fueled by sex.

 

[RnJ]

I am pro-life, as in supporting adoption, being against the death penalty, and abhor violence & war. However, I think that "personal rights" in the West have become excessive, and are more rooted in selfish individualism than any collective good.

I don't understand how everyone in the land of milk and honey sees freedom as their greater individual personal entitlement, rather than their greater responsibility. I say this to both Christians and non-Christians.

I think we're a sex-addicted society, which wants it whenever it can get it, without limits, without consequences. At best, abortions are a short term solution to the much greater problem of a society and economy fueled by sex.