lobotomy3yes
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You have no idea what the fuck you are talking about...nor what communism is. It ain't fucking Marxism and it ain't fucking state socialism.
no matter how many times you repeat the word fuck it doesn't make me wrong. I never said it was marxism or state socialism.
fluke1986
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"The anarchists conceive a society in which all the mutual relations of its member are regulated, not by laws, not by authorities, whether self-imposed or elected, but by mutual agreements between the members of that society, and by a sum of social customs and habits - not petrified by law, routine, or superstitions, but continually developing and continually readjusted, in accordance with the ever-growing requirements of a free life, stimulated by the progress of science, invention, and the steady growth of higher ideas. No ruling authorities, then. No government of man by man; no crystallisation and immobility, but a continual evolution - such as we see in Nature."
To me, anarchism is a "perfect society"...eutopia. But the thing is, everybody has a different ideal of what perfection actual is. That is why everyone you talk to has a different version on anarchism, thus the different braches, green-anarchist, anarcho-communism, and so forth. Anarchism is ideal but would never work in practice. To put everybody onto the same wavelength and thought process is a heaven on earth situation. The ideas are all great but just like communism, someone would fuck it up. how could you punish a person for rape or dumping nuclear waste in our rivers and prevent it from happening while still maintaining a true anarchist society? and communism isn't as evil as everyone thinks, its just that humans are not ready for it, and maybe never will be. even if communism or anarchy (or incorporating them) did work in a specific society, another society would come along and try to dismantle it. i'd put my money on america achieving that status. ha
Fuck yeah for darwanism. this whole "the human race must prevail" is a recipe for disaster. when you take control out of the hands of mother nature and put it into the hands of man, the human race is bound to fail. but thats a matter of over population of one species. (posting a thread about ones ideals on anarchism is also a recipe for disaster..ha)
and on the topic of revolution. real revoltion is not and ingredient in the molotov cocktail. that would be armed struggle. real revoltuion comes from within. learning to coexist with each other as well as nature. in some cases, that means revolting against human nature itself. until that is achieved, anarchy will remain a dream.
To me, anarchism is a "perfect society"...eutopia. But the thing is, everybody has a different ideal of what perfection actual is. That is why everyone you talk to has a different version on anarchism, thus the different braches, green-anarchist, anarcho-communism, and so forth. Anarchism is ideal but would never work in practice. To put everybody onto the same wavelength and thought process is a heaven on earth situation. The ideas are all great but just like communism, someone would fuck it up. how could you punish a person for rape or dumping nuclear waste in our rivers and prevent it from happening while still maintaining a true anarchist society? and communism isn't as evil as everyone thinks, its just that humans are not ready for it, and maybe never will be. even if communism or anarchy (or incorporating them) did work in a specific society, another society would come along and try to dismantle it. i'd put my money on america achieving that status. ha
Fuck yeah for darwanism. this whole "the human race must prevail" is a recipe for disaster. when you take control out of the hands of mother nature and put it into the hands of man, the human race is bound to fail. but thats a matter of over population of one species. (posting a thread about ones ideals on anarchism is also a recipe for disaster..ha)
and on the topic of revolution. real revoltion is not and ingredient in the molotov cocktail. that would be armed struggle. real revoltuion comes from within. learning to coexist with each other as well as nature. in some cases, that means revolting against human nature itself. until that is achieved, anarchy will remain a dream.
Skankin Jerry
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Society, as it will always be, caters to alpha-male pack leaders rising above the rest in competition, leaving the more “androgynous” if you will, to bow. Therefor no "system" would allow this to work, and certainly the absence of a system could not exist. The alpha-male will always aspire to dominate, and if everything has a system, including ourselves, their will always be an established dictator after a revolution, and American society is a mere reflection of reasons why anarchy cannot work, as no society can remain untouched by the presence of the alpha-male.
No one man or idea can make anarchy just occur, nor can a movement work in the way it could be thought to in terms of communism and socialism.
If anarchy could exist I'd be terribly happy, but with the best ideas of anarchy having come from the late 19th century and as the world is still not able to or ready to act upon them, I doubt I'll see even a glimpse of anarchy in my lifetime.
No one man or idea can make anarchy just occur, nor can a movement work in the way it could be thought to in terms of communism and socialism.
If anarchy could exist I'd be terribly happy, but with the best ideas of anarchy having come from the late 19th century and as the world is still not able to or ready to act upon them, I doubt I'll see even a glimpse of anarchy in my lifetime.
lobotomy3yes
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My bad on all the fucks.
What I should have said is that communism in its pure form is anarchy. The statists intended to get there by strict socialist states. If that makes any sense to you. It doesn't to me haha.
Even Lenin didn't intend for the USSR to be permanent, he believed it would bring about the state-less communist system. Communists have always been split. Some are statists, like Lenin. Others see even socialist states as only adding to the problem. I am vastly oversimplifying here, but hopefully the point is still clear enough. Anarcho-communism is a broad term, and one can't lump everything into one statement. Communism gets a really bad rap because people love to associate it with statists and Marxists. There have been libertarian Marxists as well actually. That would be where your criticisms might be a bit more valid.
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Are you dense hahahahhaaha... How is a form of government anarchy.... That would umm be just.. Show me how a form of government can be.. Having no government???? Why not say you wont someone to give you everything and tell you to go to work?? Say you cant do it on your own and you need the Hillary Clinton "village" to hold your hand... Socialism/Communism represses any sort of indivuality, thought, expression, and art... Quote me on this one.. EVERYONE IS NOT EQUAL... There is a lot of lost lazy bastards who will never be anything because they are lazy scum fucks of all races and religons.. However but I like the idea if I apply myself I can be successful.. Yea I am most definitly am right wing.. I like the idea of prospering... Why should I only be able to eat meat once a month because everyone lives off the government?? Has anyone in here been to any former east block countries???? I have I was in the Ukraine 4 years after communism.. All I can say is no thank you.. Those people still whisper about the government..
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So tell me Genius what was the USSR??? What is North Korea thats what I want.. Oh wait can we have out own tiananmen square .. Where do I sign up???
christianarchy
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I like Guerin's definition of anarchism as "the abolition of exploitation of man by man," which according to him is a goal that can only be realized in the absence of government. That's a fancy way of saying equality. I think that's really central to anarchism. I think most anarchists dislike the state because it brings about injustice and inequality. If somehow a government created equality between everyone (which I don't think is possible in the first place), I don't think anarchists would continue to be discontent with the state just because it's the state. The thing is, gov't can't exist without some people being better than others - which is why anarchism and equality go hand in hand, I do believe.
Thoughts? Agreements? Vomit?
EDIT: Equality means no violence, even if it's means to bring about an anarchist state. I think anarchism and non-violence go hand in hand as well. Violence is basically putting yourself above someone else, making yourself the government. Property destruction I'm back and forth on.
Thoughts? Agreements? Vomit?
EDIT: Equality means no violence, even if it's means to bring about an anarchist state. I think anarchism and non-violence go hand in hand as well. Violence is basically putting yourself above someone else, making yourself the government. Property destruction I'm back and forth on.
lobotomy3yes
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Odal
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I think the people insulting Anarcho-Communism have been brainwashed by the media. Dictatorship Communism does not equal Anarcho-Communism. Anarcho-Syndicalism is not the only valid path, Anarchy means to many things for us to keep fighting about. In the 1950s in Japan the Anarchists split up because of such arguments.
If any of you have studied Conflict Sociology or anything Marx has ever written, you will see this...
This idea is connected to a term anyone of you who have done any reading will also know. "Class Struggle." Basically, due to the nature of Capitalism, the ruling class will make their own enemies, the working class, who over time will revolt due to their majority, and over throw the capitalist system, in favor of a socialist system where the needs of the many are met, as they gain control over capital and product.
In theory, this would in time collapse to form a Pure Communist state, assuming people remembered the lessons they learned. This 'pure communism' 'libertarian communism' or 'anarcho-communism' is contrary to the state that formed in the USSR. (If anyone of you remember social studies, you'll remember Lenin was replaced by malicious dictator. He ruined it.)
Now, if we weren't in a capitalist society where we were raised to know that money = power, a dictator might have not messed this Utopian image up. Money, it is what gets work done, it gets us materials, it provides with resources to live. This kind of path is individualism, the self is more important then the masses. Anarcho-Communists argue that this is what causes what people perceive as 'Human Greed'. We are what we are taught, pretty much.
Some Christians (Not church-goers, I mean personal Christians. I used to be a Black-Metal head, don't think I'm a religious nut.) belive that Jesus himself was an Anarchist. - and in a sense, I can see some allusions to Anarcho-Communism in his words. (Treat others as you would like to be treated etc...) (God is the only ruler... etc...)
Don't bow to down to humans, stay free, and work together out of love for eachother.
Hope that clears up any biases against it, not trying to push it on you, just pointing out what you seem to not understand.
Done my rant now.
If any of you have studied Conflict Sociology or anything Marx has ever written, you will see this...
Karl Marx said:
This idea is connected to a term anyone of you who have done any reading will also know. "Class Struggle." Basically, due to the nature of Capitalism, the ruling class will make their own enemies, the working class, who over time will revolt due to their majority, and over throw the capitalist system, in favor of a socialist system where the needs of the many are met, as they gain control over capital and product.
In theory, this would in time collapse to form a Pure Communist state, assuming people remembered the lessons they learned. This 'pure communism' 'libertarian communism' or 'anarcho-communism' is contrary to the state that formed in the USSR. (If anyone of you remember social studies, you'll remember Lenin was replaced by malicious dictator. He ruined it.)
Now, if we weren't in a capitalist society where we were raised to know that money = power, a dictator might have not messed this Utopian image up. Money, it is what gets work done, it gets us materials, it provides with resources to live. This kind of path is individualism, the self is more important then the masses. Anarcho-Communists argue that this is what causes what people perceive as 'Human Greed'. We are what we are taught, pretty much.
Some Christians (Not church-goers, I mean personal Christians. I used to be a Black-Metal head, don't think I'm a religious nut.) belive that Jesus himself was an Anarchist. - and in a sense, I can see some allusions to Anarcho-Communism in his words. (Treat others as you would like to be treated etc...) (God is the only ruler... etc...)
Don't bow to down to humans, stay free, and work together out of love for eachother.
Hope that clears up any biases against it, not trying to push it on you, just pointing out what you seem to not understand.
Done my rant now.
Dylan Seagull
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Like someone said earlier in this post, everybody you talk to has a different perception of what anarchy "means to them". But it seems everybody can agree that anarchy goes hand-in-hand with equality and accepting that others views will differ from yours.
Then why do i see people fighting and criticizing others for there views/beliefs.
That's not very anarchy of you. =)
Then why do i see people fighting and criticizing others for there views/beliefs.
That's not very anarchy of you. =)
Odal
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JungleBoots
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semai
this.
devoid of all commodity, the people can live hand in hand, with gifts, and nothing but love.
this.
devoid of all commodity, the people can live hand in hand, with gifts, and nothing but love.
Odal
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That's an interesting link, and in my opinion, that is an example of anarcho-communism. It should be known as tribalism, in my opinion.
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