White Privilege

[Nelco]

is it cuz the dead hate the living?

that comment has nada to do with what this thread is about..it's never wise to judge someone you've never met..far from dead..
i live in the south east..white people are the minority, by far in this area..i've seen it from some very rare angles..i'm white skin colored, while the rest of my family looks more native american (we still don't know why I look so different colored and built from the family) and people of other colors have been very accepting of me 90% of the time and been open to how they truely feel about such things as this and knowing how people feel and what actualy trigers racial anything..well i think this thread is small minded. I try to keep in mind I've lived a very different life from most and not judge other people's thoughts and conversations while they're figuring things out for themselves. I'm sorry if I made you feel offended.

 

[Nelco]

deep down, i beleive no one truely cares about what color anyones skin is.
I believe it's more a defense to conceal personal hatred and wounds...keeping in mind the media, government and powers of the world fuel people to focus on nonsnense that keeps us distracted and seperated.

 

[Keith2]

I'm sick of hearing people complain about whites. People should stop criticizing entire races of people. I agree with criticizing the usa government for past racist policies but don't blame whites as a race for that. Blame the usa government. Criticizing entire races is racist and needs to stop. Whites deserve the same protections from racism that other races have. Racism against all races is bad and that includes racism against white people.

 

[Mankini]

Every race's cultural contributions annoys me; each in their own special way. For instance, I hate rap and country equally. I dislike seeing white yuppies driving Subarus and Saabs: I especially dislike it when rednecks put those stupid rubber fake nut sacs on their trailer hitches. But I also dislike seeing Latinos and Blacks driving around in Cutlasses or Impalas with 5000 kilowatt subwoofers playing polka or rap. Basketball irritates me: on the other hand so does racquetball and NHRA. I think the coolest cultures in the world are probably the Mountain Hermits in Japan; Trappist monks in Belgium who make the world's best beer EVER; Sufis; Yogis in India; Kabbala Jews; etc. Pop culture is stupid regardless of who created it.

 

[Art101]

Really who actually gives 2 fucks.I'm white big fn deal.

 

[Antelope Bob]

As a Native American I don't know what prejudice is. Everyone else is evil HAHAHAHAHA joking people.

 

[Art101]

Lol Bob...

 

[kerouac]

good article on this topic:
http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/rex-murphy-white-privilege-on-the-march

the very concept is inherently racist

 

[Art101]

I wont comment,lol but great article.

 

[Mankini]

The most devilish and antidemocratic thing in the US is its education system. It is funded almost solely through property tax. Which means mostly that someplace like Bridgehampton will have nicer schools than someplace like Havre Montana or Bloomfield New Mexico. This practice and the electoral college account for 99.9% of ''white privilege'' in the US. Also, the culture values elitism and 'meritocracy'...which values manifest themselves in strange ways. Universities such as the Ivy League and 'Seven Sisters' churn out thousands of Brahmins every year. I wouldn't ever use the term ''white privilege''...because its not so much white as it is WASP.

 

[Matt Derrick]

The most devilish and antidemocratic thing in the US is its education system. It is funded almost solely through property tax. Which means mostly that someplace like Bridgehampton will have nicer schools than someplace like Havre Montana or Bloomfield New Mexico. This practice and the electoral college account for 99.9% of ''white privilege'' in the US. Also, the culture values elitism and 'meritocracy'...which values manifest themselves in strange ways. Universities such as the Ivy League and 'Seven Sisters' churn out thousands of Brahmins every year. I wouldn't ever use the term ''white privilege''...because its not so much white as it is WASP.

that makes very little sense and is somewhat off topic to this thread.

 

[Mankini]

What must be taken into account is not the "American Dream'' of ambition and work; but peoples' motivations for wanting material success. We must keep the ambitious and greedy from being labeled ''successful''. Successful at what?...Achievement is relative. Hitler and Stalin were poor white boys from rustic backgrounds.
On a similar vein, a POC who lives in his own ethnic enclave all his life and achieves nothing of any value to the Establishment: Is he worthless? Or how does one quantify his relative worth level?

Allow me to elucidate this. By what standards do we measure privilege and success?

Is George W. Bush worth more than a homeless, schizophrenic, HIV infected, alcoholic person of color in the Mission District? GW has a Yale and Harvard education, is rich, was a president, and comes from a long line of Patricians. But the homeless man has never murdered anyone, while GW caused the deaths of countless people, for his own glory.

Privilege is merely an aesthetic preference. Wealth, looks, and power are the quantifiers.

But if I don't esteem your celebrity status, possessions, power, titles, looks, academic and familial pedigrees, then how much privilege do you really have?

 

[Matt Derrick]

it really saddens me to see how little understanding of what even white privilege is in the StP community much less the shocking amount of denial. denying that this exists is like saying up is down...

 

[Matt Derrick]

What must be taken into account is not the "American Dream'' of ambition and work; but peoples' motivations for wanting material success. We must keep the ambitious and greedy from being labeled ''successful''. Successful at what?...Achievement is relative. Hitler and Stalin were poor white boys from rustic backgrounds.
On a similar vein, a POC who lives in his own ethnic enclave all his life and achieves nothing of any value to the Establishment: Is he worthless? Or how does one quantify his relative worth level?

i don't think you understand what the topic of this thread is about.

 

[milkhauler]

 

[lone wolf]

...the majority of people that succeed... are white...

the majority of people that succeed are Jewish.

 

[Deleted member 13433]

There's no question that the white European race has done terrible things once they came to 'the new world' ad proceeded to search and destroy, ask any Native American about that - but this whole white privilage thing is something completely new to me, as I have never even heard of it up until very recently.

Considering that in my senior year of high school in Brooklyn NY, 1983... my best friend was a black man, and that I would be seen often enough walking a black woman [back then 18 years old made you and adult] named Desiree to the subway station - something which took balls to do back then - this should give indication of what I think of such things as white privilage and these other bullshit feel bad terms.

In America, whites definately had privilage from day one up until I'd say the 1970s, then things became a little more 'just' with great emphisis on 'a little more'.
Today - anyone - and I do mean anyone - has the ability to go as far as they want, they just have to be willing to work very hard for it.

Case in point: About 12 years ago, a young black man walked right into my studio during a particulary rowdey band practice.
He walked right in like he owned the place, such was his passion for the blues.... and we actually got him to sing a tune with us.
Turns out he was visiting a friend next door that's how he found out about us - anyway - he decided from that moment on - that he was going to make music his passion - his goal.

Years later I crossed paths with him, pushing shopping carts at Home Depot.

He was proud of him menial job - because he was using that as a stepping stone to save money to get in his words "a very old pick up truck and a lawn mower" so he could start his own business which would in turn generate funds for his studio.

I am told that today he indeed has a very big studio going and is realizing his dream.
Believe me when I tell you he came from nothing - but he was willing to do whatever it took to better himself towards his goal.

My ex-girlfriend dumped me because [among other things] I refused to buy into the whole white privilage thing - and I think it's because today - I see no privilage in being white.

I have jury duty on Tuesday.
I'll see if white privilage exists in the court room and report back if there's anything worth adding.

In closing, I want to add that in my 50 years on this fucking planet - if there's one thing I know - the only way to end racism is to simply stop saying and acting like this race is more privlilaged [or downtrodden] than that race and just start thinking in terms of working together.
This does not mean we have to accept everything thrown into our face, but respect does go a long way.

Last time I checked, we are all human beings, mammals.....
That's right - human being's.
Forget all this labeling crap.
We can make this work.

"...for only love can conquer hate"
[Marvin Gaye]

 

[Deleted member 13433]

[and I appologize for all the spelling errors, as I ain't exactly all that smart and use a very primitive computer with no spell check capacity]

Anarchy Peace LOVE and Freedom...................

 

[Mankini]

I was hoping you'd say "And then I found out the young Black guy was Jimi Hendrix."

 

[Deleted member 13433]

Nope... he was a regular kid, who was simply trying to survive.
I'm glad I gave him inspiration to follow through with his dream.
Funny how that works - how by chance, this kid was able to see what I was doing [in my case, a very serious hobby] with music - to where he decided to follow a similar path - working hard to see his dream come true by starting with something very menial and then working his way slowly up to where he needed to be in order to pay for his studio set up.
Probably took him a solid ten years to get there.
Took me closer to thirty.......................