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White Privilege
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and like i said we are all skin and bones
Very true but from an anthropological stand it's just like thapoet said
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actually mexicans are predominantly caucasian (of spanish decent) and mongoloid (asian decent though native american ancestry)... but as anthropology goes they are caucasian... Did you ever notice on the papers you fill out at the doctor now it says caucasian- non-spanish, and caucasian- spanish decent...
venusinpisces
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One aspect of the white privilege debate that is usually not discussed is the history of indentured servitude which was virtually identical to slavery. The Irish were considered to be of the same social status as blacks up until very recently. Indentured servants also went through exactly the same horrific oppression as slaves: families were split up, they were beaten, raped and many were even killed. Despite the fact that servants were supposedly able to be released from debt bondage, the overwhelming majority were unable to escape crippling poverty and never owned property. The legacies of indentured servitude can still be seen throughout Appalachia and the South, where the descendants of those servants absolutely do not have the same opportunities as your average blue blooded Anglo-Saxon. The families who founded this country were part of an elite network that required more than whiteness alone for a person to gain access. While racism is alive and well in this country and others, I think the emphasis on it at the expense of class can actually play into the hands of elite interests. Focusing solely on the issue of white privilege minimizes the underlying injustices faced by all peoples, instead keeping people infighting instead of looking at commonalities such as the fact that America's wealth has been stolen by the banker class.
Personally, I've lived in a lot of different types of neighborhoods and have seen comparable levels of poverty in the inner city as compared to the mostly white trailer parks in the South. It makes sense that elites would encourage POC to hate "whitey", through corporate-funded hip hop as well as other methods, while encouraging whites to do the same with POC, mostly through scare tactics about immigration, black crime and people on welfare, because it prevents everyone from looking up the chain of command to the true source of their oppression. I will not go so far as to say that racism is dead. Whoever thinks that is ignorant(just look at Travelers comments), But what I take issue with is that it's seen as socially acceptable to talk about inbred white trailer trash yet the same types of comments directed at blacks in the inner city would be met with severe criticism, as they should be. Why is this double standard allowed to exist, even though promoting the idea of inbred whites justifies eugenics and the unjust social policies that result from it? Could it be that this happens because dividing the rabble is a way of preventing organized dissent? I don't want what I'm saying to be used as a way of dismissing the concerns of people in the antiracist movement. But there is another side to the story and I think that is just as important.
Personally, I've lived in a lot of different types of neighborhoods and have seen comparable levels of poverty in the inner city as compared to the mostly white trailer parks in the South. It makes sense that elites would encourage POC to hate "whitey", through corporate-funded hip hop as well as other methods, while encouraging whites to do the same with POC, mostly through scare tactics about immigration, black crime and people on welfare, because it prevents everyone from looking up the chain of command to the true source of their oppression. I will not go so far as to say that racism is dead. Whoever thinks that is ignorant(just look at Travelers comments), But what I take issue with is that it's seen as socially acceptable to talk about inbred white trailer trash yet the same types of comments directed at blacks in the inner city would be met with severe criticism, as they should be. Why is this double standard allowed to exist, even though promoting the idea of inbred whites justifies eugenics and the unjust social policies that result from it? Could it be that this happens because dividing the rabble is a way of preventing organized dissent? I don't want what I'm saying to be used as a way of dismissing the concerns of people in the antiracist movement. But there is another side to the story and I think that is just as important.
Gudj
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Traveler you racist piece of shit, how did you even find this website? Also, white is not white all the time. I am white now, but 100 years ago both of my heritages would have not qualified for white privilege.
The rest of you white privilege denying people claiming that being white doesn't make things easier for you and your family are denying the extent that racism and white supremacy exist today. Which doesn't make alot of sense since you obviously have access to the internet and it's either the topic of, or appears between the lines in almost every news story.
Grow the fuck up and acknowledge this shit instead of denying it or being defensive. You aren't shit for being born "white", but there are privileges that go along with that that you need to recognize, not abuse, and try in whatever way you can to distribute to other groups as well.
The rest of you white privilege denying people claiming that being white doesn't make things easier for you and your family are denying the extent that racism and white supremacy exist today. Which doesn't make alot of sense since you obviously have access to the internet and it's either the topic of, or appears between the lines in almost every news story.
Grow the fuck up and acknowledge this shit instead of denying it or being defensive. You aren't shit for being born "white", but there are privileges that go along with that that you need to recognize, not abuse, and try in whatever way you can to distribute to other groups as well.
wow! wth happened here??? i never realized being a free bird meant having to succumb to being politically correct ! Censor police or something .... wow!!! I guess I need to go back and read where this whole racism thing came from??? Well, if I am not banned after this I suppose I will read it...
And for what its worth, white is not privileged... I live in Louisiana and I can tell you that the Black Business-owners Association will agree with me on that one! They will tell you that Education makes one privileged. Followed closely by up-bringing... followed closely by common sense! (That is a direct quote btw.... )
And for what its worth, white is not privileged... I live in Louisiana and I can tell you that the Black Business-owners Association will agree with me on that one! They will tell you that Education makes one privileged. Followed closely by up-bringing... followed closely by common sense! (That is a direct quote btw.... )
plagueship
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finally, for once i am down with someone getting banned! what an idiot.
obviously white privelege (or male, cisgender privilege, able-bodied privilege, or whatever form of privilege is hip to talk about this week because it's in someone's cultural studies class / on anarchistnews, etc) is NOT a get out of jail free card, an unlimited charge card or anything like that. in fact i think a big part of the reason the anarchist / leftist scene are so worthless is because they are so bogged down in this kind of identity politics and fail to recognize (as anarchists and marxists historically did) CLASS as the primary contradiction in our society: whether you have control over your life, or whether you don't. most of us don't and the races, sexes, etc were created as stabilization mechanisms for systems of power; white privelege is a bargain struck between the (then mostly white) upper classes of the 18th century and the light-skinned, european-descended working class of the same time, in order to stop irish people conspiring with black africans to overthrow british colonial societies. it is a relative, not an absolute privilege which still exists within the same context of a system based on a general exploitation of labor...
now... things have changed. the president and the governor of my state are both black men and many of the leading political figures are female in this country. clearly we are not in a "post-racist, post-sexist" america but i think we are approaching something like it, and i don't actually agree that in and of itself this is such a great thing. consider, all that matters in the coming society is that you are a productive part of capitalism (or a kind of federal, cybernetic socialism or whatever it is tomorrow). it will be more efficient, more rational, and no less based on the premise of forced labor. it just takes into account more identities, more social causes and needs than ever before, environmentally friendly and so on.. in some ways it's already here. you can get gay-married and smoke legal weed, you just can't not work unless you were born rich or intend to live as a criminal.
"smack a white boy indeed", this brings me back to white privilege and - as i assumed this op initially wanted to discuss it - as it pertains to the traveler and anarchist scenes. i am aware that many people in these scenes, including myself, are "white" (note to 'traveller' and whoever else, race does not have a substantive biological reality, it is the social interpretation of biological traits...), middle class and suffering from a kind of guilt about this - a guilt that some of us express by refusing our opportunities like college, work, and legitimacy in general. it is true that a filthy homeless punk with face tattoos doesn't have the same kind of white privilege that some clean cut dude in a suit does. but they might be siblings. i think coming from a background of, even relative, privilege leads many people to a kind of mental freak-out where they have to try to renounce it. it's fine to want to reject an unfair system but if everything step is taken in reaction to guilt then unfortunately you are walking a spiraling path into guilt-ridden, authoritarian, manipulative leftist identity politics, such as would only invert present systems of power and call it justice - 'smack a white boy', what the fuck, i am a white 'boy' or man and i have never done anything to you. also you look pretty white-privileged in your picture. i suppose you'll say next that men should cut off their dicks because we're all rapists or some shit...
obviously white privelege (or male, cisgender privilege, able-bodied privilege, or whatever form of privilege is hip to talk about this week because it's in someone's cultural studies class / on anarchistnews, etc) is NOT a get out of jail free card, an unlimited charge card or anything like that. in fact i think a big part of the reason the anarchist / leftist scene are so worthless is because they are so bogged down in this kind of identity politics and fail to recognize (as anarchists and marxists historically did) CLASS as the primary contradiction in our society: whether you have control over your life, or whether you don't. most of us don't and the races, sexes, etc were created as stabilization mechanisms for systems of power; white privelege is a bargain struck between the (then mostly white) upper classes of the 18th century and the light-skinned, european-descended working class of the same time, in order to stop irish people conspiring with black africans to overthrow british colonial societies. it is a relative, not an absolute privilege which still exists within the same context of a system based on a general exploitation of labor...
now... things have changed. the president and the governor of my state are both black men and many of the leading political figures are female in this country. clearly we are not in a "post-racist, post-sexist" america but i think we are approaching something like it, and i don't actually agree that in and of itself this is such a great thing. consider, all that matters in the coming society is that you are a productive part of capitalism (or a kind of federal, cybernetic socialism or whatever it is tomorrow). it will be more efficient, more rational, and no less based on the premise of forced labor. it just takes into account more identities, more social causes and needs than ever before, environmentally friendly and so on.. in some ways it's already here. you can get gay-married and smoke legal weed, you just can't not work unless you were born rich or intend to live as a criminal.
"smack a white boy indeed", this brings me back to white privilege and - as i assumed this op initially wanted to discuss it - as it pertains to the traveler and anarchist scenes. i am aware that many people in these scenes, including myself, are "white" (note to 'traveller' and whoever else, race does not have a substantive biological reality, it is the social interpretation of biological traits...), middle class and suffering from a kind of guilt about this - a guilt that some of us express by refusing our opportunities like college, work, and legitimacy in general. it is true that a filthy homeless punk with face tattoos doesn't have the same kind of white privilege that some clean cut dude in a suit does. but they might be siblings. i think coming from a background of, even relative, privilege leads many people to a kind of mental freak-out where they have to try to renounce it. it's fine to want to reject an unfair system but if everything step is taken in reaction to guilt then unfortunately you are walking a spiraling path into guilt-ridden, authoritarian, manipulative leftist identity politics, such as would only invert present systems of power and call it justice - 'smack a white boy', what the fuck, i am a white 'boy' or man and i have never done anything to you. also you look pretty white-privileged in your picture. i suppose you'll say next that men should cut off their dicks because we're all rapists or some shit...
Gudj
Oogle
i have 30% of my body tattooed, diy. then my face. pretty much any time a cop or judge sees me i am detained or what not. but hey what do i know. i am just a big white jewish kid
I'm an idiot??? you quote wiki, but i am the idiot? Seriously dude? Name calling???? WOW!!!! You preach about one supposed hatred by espousing another??? NICE!
If you want to get SUPER technical about it bro, theres only ONE race of human.... and that one is HUMAN... Race itself was predominantly made up by ETHNIC groups... The ANTHROPOLOGICAL aspect of RACE is what I POSTED.... Here, you can have this thread, because I was under the impression that the gentleman that started the thread was looking for INTELLIGENT conversation... peace out....
If you want to get SUPER technical about it bro, theres only ONE race of human.... and that one is HUMAN... Race itself was predominantly made up by ETHNIC groups... The ANTHROPOLOGICAL aspect of RACE is what I POSTED.... Here, you can have this thread, because I was under the impression that the gentleman that started the thread was looking for INTELLIGENT conversation... peace out....
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