Video Where all my bass guitar players at?

[MFB]

and screwing dominatrices

Wouldnt they be screwing you!?

 

[Older Than Dirt]

Well, as i said, it was in their spare time. You can't judge what a woman might like by what she has to do at work.

 

[MFB]

Sad day for you. But right.
When I have to chef the last thing i wanna do is cook when i get home.

 

[MFB]

You will learn. Most of the time, when "a few people [get] together to create something" (or one person does), they have fun, and the results suck. I should know, i've played many crap shows (and a few good ones).

You editing fucker!
But right, thats my point.
You are focused on the result, whereas I am about the process.

 

[Older Than Dirt]

I am about the process.

That's where the man with the one-inch dick comes in ...

[Have just realized i may have offended the genitally-challenged community. MODS: please have mercy, i am old and have poor impulse control. Like incontinence, only with words.

And, why, yes, officer, i have been drinking today- would you like a cold one?]

 

[MFB]

That's where the man with the one-inch dick comes in ...

Hey Now, speak for yourself!

Regardless, nice shootin the shit w ya!

And sorry to everyone for hijacking the thread! Im coming for ya, @Juan Derlust !

 

[Jimmy Beans]

I'm kinda for the evolution of a thread. If we kept this to just bass players, it wouldn't be all that interesting of a conversation imo. There's still some continuity, bass players>music>BDSM... Ok maybe that's reaching but I think as long as it doesn't completely take a turn deep into a completely unrelated topic for long.. ehh, fine by me. I don't see it as a highjacking.

 

[Older Than Dirt]

i, i, i was trying to trick you by offering you a beer, Officer Lupo.

And you go and accept, and sit down on the couch to discuss BDSM, punk rock, and the meaning of life.

I feel so unworthy. So low, so shown up by a better man than i.

Somehow this story springs to mind: I was once having a casual conversation with the police chief in a city that is kinda popular with dirty kids, who was an ex-NYPD cop and we had a bunch of friends in common, in which i mentioned that i used to date a couple dommes. He replied "Oh, yeah, i did that too." Smartest cop i ever met; he was a police chief for about 3 more years before they fired him.

 

[MFB]

who was an ex-NYPD cop and we had a bunch of friends in common, in which i mentioned that i used to date a couple dommes. He replied "Oh, yeah, i did that too." Smartest cop i ever met

DId you ask him whose handcuffs they used?
I would have.

 

[Older Than Dirt]

All right, i am going to try to be super OT: who are the best/most influential punk rock bass-players?

1) Dee Dee Ramone (hands-down champ): Ramones established the template that defined 90% of what gets called "punk rock". Later bands may have been less melodic, faster, yes, but Dee Dee defined the bass for all future punk bands. Self-taught, and by no means a virtuoso, but lots of stamina.

2) Lemmy: Not a punk guy per se, but very punk-adjacent. The first couple Motorhead albums, and especially Ace Of Spades were the second biggest single influence on all early NYC hardcore (Bad Brains being the biggest). All bassplayers copied Lemmy as best they could. A joke: "Who is stronger, Lemmy or god?" [whichever they pick, reply] 'Wrong, Lemmy is god!" My old pal Four-Way, singer of SF/NYC HC band Bad Posture, named his daughter Lemmy.

I really can't think of any others who totally influenced everyone who came after the way Dee Dee and Lemmy did, but i am no bass specialist. The only other person who really springs to mind Is Jah Wobble/John Wardle, bass player of Public Image Limited, whose wobbly reggae/dub bass-lines were copied by about a million post-punk bands in the '80s-'90s. Paul Simonon of the Clash also deserves credit for using reggae bass-lines in punk.

I am sure many will disagree and scoff, and say i am hopelessly stuck in the distant past, and that is why i am posting this, to get a discussion going.

Here is one of my favorite bass-parts of any early punk song, "Ain't Got A Clue" (1978) by very obscure UK band The Lurkers:

 

[MFB]

@Older Than Dirt

#3) Matt Freeman- from Op Ivy and Rancid-----Really pioneered the walking basslines through verses and choruses where most punk bassists where mainly just playing single notes.
Fused and bridged a lot of reggae and afro-carribean stuff with punk and pioneered the whole ska sound for the 90s. Talent for days and reponsible for some of the best intros (See- journey to the end of east bay), and one of the few punk bassist that actually had solos in thier songs. See-Maxwell Murder!!!!

 

[MFB]

#4----Fat Mike from NOFX-----this dood has it all, talent, song writing ability, knew theory, could play jazz and blues and incorporated into his punk music. some of the most iconic basslines in punk, played difficult stuff AND sang at the same time. Pound for pound the best in my opinion. If you dont know, now you do. And for those of you who give a shit about keeping it real, dood stayed small and helped his homies when he could have made millions.

The intro to The Desperations Gone
The rolling bassline in My Heart Is Yearning
I could go on and on, which is another reason he is the best to me.His LONGEVITY. He's been cranking out stuff for so long and has such a huge discography of really good stuff.

 

[Older Than Dirt]

I am not at all familiar with those bands, so i listened to a fair amount of Operation Ivy (an '87 live show at Gilman St.), and 6 seconds of a Rancid song called "Roots Radical" (before i had to stop).
Operation Ivy are a decent if totally unoriginal HC band; every town had dozens by the time they got going and i can't see why they are any better than baziliions of others. Rancid the less said the better.

He is a very good bass player, who i would guess is very familiar with the Clash, and Paul Simonon's pop/punk/reggae bass-lines, which he copies extensively. I would say another influence might be Sir Horace Gentleman, the bass-player in the Specials, another guy who played reggae bass parts in a pop/punk/ska context. I also hear influences from Bruce Foxton of The Jam, who was a huge fan of John Entwhistle of the Who, and was walking bass-lines, and playing scales, and arpeggiated chords, very fast 10 years before your man got going.

He may well have been influential on those who came after, but not very original in his playing/style.

Nothing wrong with Operation Ivy. Rancid sounds like what i imagine Blink-182 would sound like. Very very watered down pop-punk for top 40 consumption by kids who buy their clothes at Hot Topic. Had to stop after 6 seconds, life is too short. Their clothes are like some kind of '77 Punk Colonial Williamsburg shit, in fucking 1994. Lyrics are some "get drunk, be happy, don't think about revolution" pop crap. Yuck.

Here are some of his obvious influences:













Will check out this Fat Mike cat.

 

[Jimmy Beans]

I second Matt Freeman. See Operation Ivy - The Crowd
Rancid - Rejected
It's funny, I was just running my mouth about "acceptable punk" from my perspective and now I'm gonna follow that up with Rancid.. which many people hate on just as much as blink. I don't really dig anything beyond their first album (self titled) but damn that was a pretty decent fucking album imo. Matt Freeman baselines are top shelf. He plays with a pick which is ehh, but I really don't think some of the baselines he writes could be played with fingers so there's that. I struggle hard to play Rejected even with a pick, I wanna see someone do it without. I have really fast fingers but I just don't think it's possible.

Another honorable mention goes to Steve Youth from 7 Seconds. Both those guys really inspired me to play bass.

 

[MFB]

I am not at all familiar with those bands, so i listened to a fair amount of Operation Ivy (an '87 live show at Gilman St.), and 6 seconds of a Rancid song called "Roots Radical" (before i had to stop).
Operation Ivy are a decent if totally unoriginal HC band; every town had dozens by the time they got going and i can't see why they are any better than baziliions of others. Rancid the less said the better.

He is a very good bass player, who i would guess is very familiar with the Clash, and Paul Simonon's pop/punk/reggae bass-lines, which he copies extensively. I would say another influence might be Sir Horace Gentleman, the bass-player in the Specials, another guy who played reggae bass parts in a pop/punk/ska context. I also hear influences from Bruce Foxton of The Jam, who was a huge fan of John Entwhistle of the Who, and was walking bass-lines, and playing scales, and arpeggiated chords, very fast 10 years before your man got going.

He may well have been influential on those who came after, but not very original in his playing/style.

Nothing wrong with Operation Ivy. Rancid sounds like what i imagine Blink-182 would sound like. Very very watered down pop-punk for top 40 consumption by kids who buy their clothes at Hot Topic. Had to stop after 6 seconds, life is too short. Their clothes are like some kind of '77 Punk Colonial Williamsburg shit, in fucking 1994. Lyrics are some "get drunk, be happy, don't think about revolution" pop crap. Yuck.



Will check out this Fat Mike cat.

Prentetious, bitter, and anitquated. Its ok, I still like you.

Best of lists are subjective. But theres always some butthead that wants to shit on yours.
The "best all time" lists on Boxingscene.com are a real shit show. So Im used to it.

 

[Older Than Dirt]

This Fat Mike and NOFX are OK. They can play for sure. Drummer is very boring, like a metronome; whitest drummer ever?

But what they can play quite well is totally orthodox by-the-numbers punk rock. I hear nothing original in any part of their music. Every part follows a well-defined "punk with bit of ska/reggae on the slow songs" template formed from '77-'86. Lots of Clash, Specials, Sham influences.

Of course the whole story of all popular music is people trying to copy something and failing interestingly, and accidentally creating new shit in the process.

 

[Older Than Dirt]

Prentetious, bitter, and anitquated.

Immediately added this to my forum signature; i do am to please, and good to know that you kids "get it".

 

[MFB]

@Older Than Dirt I get that your scene was inherently cooler bc it was raw and dangerous and authentic and everything that came after was watered down. Our shit was really cool and special to us too, just like yours was to you. and these two bassist have influenced a lot of other goood music, cant be argued!
*us is me and my buds and music scene when I was young

He may well have been influential on those who came after,

right, thats how influence works, it doesnt go backwards. Thats why these two are on my list.

 

[Older Than Dirt]

No doubt, and everyone copies those who came before them, as i already said.

And of course it was way cooler when it was all new and we were making it up as we went along (if you were being sarcastic, sorry, it was cooler the first time around). Why you kids don't want to do the same i don't know. Admittedly when your generation does invent new music, the results are generally awful (EDM, etc).

Though there are always gleams of gold; i will not link to the video of my favorite recent song, because it would probably get me banned (although it is a product of gay culture, it is not a very PC one). Google "Tronco Traxx", and the most common obscene term for female genitalia, and then find the "Straight [offensive term for male gay person] Mix". Pure fucking genius.

But if you listen to the evolution of jazz from say 1930 to 1970, you hear dramatic musical evolution and development, not just new bands copying what the first ten years did. But punk from 1977 to present just all mostly sounds like the bands who came before, who sounds like the bands who came before that.

If my generation had sat around listening to 40 year old records, and copying Bing Crosby, Fred Astaire, Benny Dorsey, and Benny Goodman, what would you kids have to copy?

 

[MFB]

No doubt, and everyone copies those who came before them, as i already said.

And of course it was way cooler when it was all new and we were making it up as we went along (if you were being sarcastic, sorry, it was cooler the first time around). Why you kids don't want to do the same i don't know. Admittedly when your generation does invent new music, the results are generally awful (EDM, etc).

Though there are always gleams of gold; i will not link to the video of my favorite recent song, because it would probably get me banned (although it is a product of gay culture, it is not a very PC one). Google "Tronco Traxx", and the most common obscene term for female genitalia, and then find the "Straight [offensive term for male gay person] Mix". Pure fucking genius.

But if you listen to the evolution of jazz from say 1930 to 1970, you hear dramatic musical evolution and development, not just new bands copying what the first ten years did. But punk from 1977 to present just all mostly sounds like the bands who came before, who sounds like the bands who came before that.

If my generation had sat around listening to 40 year old records, and copying Bing Crosby, Fred Astaire, Benny Dorsey, and Benny Goodman, what would you kids have to copy?

Got it, all generations subsequent to yours werent as cool

Dear sir, could you please ad "relict" to my quote in your signature?