I deleted myself
as far as i have been able to gather this flyer is from around 92 or 93 and it was bikini kill.
I disagree. Why? because i rape men, well i rape one man. every chance i get.Men are hardly ever the victims of a sexual crime and if they are its generally by other men.
So now you don't go by statistics?As we all know men are MUCH less likely to report rape or sexual abuse, I don't need a statistic to prove that.
I have helped several people with the aftermath of rape and sexual abuse over time. I know it ain't pretty. Also as a white male I've had to defend myself from sexual assault many times over my life. Once the person I was defending myself against was a female member of my extended family (it was 11yrs old vs. 41). Also the US bureau of justice statistics doesn't take in to account prison rape.
I feel my statement is relevant because not one female who responded seemed to agree with the girl who wrote this rant, but you seemed to feel that you where somehow qualified to represent a woman's viewpoint on the matter because you spent a lot of time hanging out with your "lady friends."
I love that you're the one making statements like "Men are hardly ever the victims of a sexual crime and if they are its generally by other men." and "I who have spent much time with my lady friends know how many times a horn gets honked, glare gets thrown, a hand accidentally grazes" but somehow I'm the one stuck in my own little bubble.look outside your bubble
and try to be aware that just because you have not seen or been apart of it there are others in struggles that you may never know but do exist
huh, that's funny because i didn't say that or anything like it, it has almost nothing to do with what i ACTUALLY said - if you knew how to read the english language - and you're not addressing anything i said except with "STFU". i specifically said i don't identify with the people being criticized - macho punk dudes - and that i experience the shit end of their behavior as well. i said i don't think saying that boys and parents are bad either helps the situation, or is in any way mature, intelligent, or logical, not that you seem to be any of those things yourself. again, sorry to anyone who has eyes in their head and a working grasp of the english language and noticed that i already said this once.Also, denying that the pattern of behavior being complained about either doesn't exist or isn't that important either because you identify with the group of people being criticized or you aren't part of the group experiencing the shit-end of it, is fucking stupid so shut the fuck up.
All I see in these threads is denial and defensiveness
totally. are you suggesting that i mosh peoples faces in and grab boobs at shows? because , once again, as i said i usually just stand in the back. i'm not sure what else i'm supposed to do to "fix" a dysfunctional culture like punk rock which is part of a dysfunctional society/world. apparently your idea of fixing things is telling people who sympathize with you that they're pieces of shit on the internet. cool dude, i guess you are one of the "good boys" after all....I eventually let go of the idea that I needed to understand everyones complaints and perspectives on everything before I started to respect them. It doesn't fucking mattter if I completely relate to a complaint or not in order for me to do what is within reason to try to fix it. It's that simple.
No. I am saying that I am aware that the bulk of the problem is much much more common and much much more subtle than "moshing peoples faces or grabbing boobs". That would be an easy situation to take care of relatively speaking. A much harder situation to take care of is living in a world where most every interaction is framed by patriarchy. That's the point that people are missing. If you aren't guilty of obnoxiously obvious things like "grabbing boobs", then you pat yrself on the back and think you are off the hook. That isn't the deal.totally. are you suggesting that i mosh peoples faces in and grab boobs at shows? because , once again, as i said i usually just stand in the back. i'm not sure what else i'm supposed to do to "fix" a dysfunctional culture like punk rock which is part of a dysfunctional society/world. apparently your idea of fixing things is telling people who sympathize with you that they're pieces of shit on the internet. cool dude, i guess you are one of the "good boys" after all....
yes but its only dominated by male artists because the industry is run by the lavender mafia. self production and the internet is a way of avoiding the casting couch. and hence even more shit music on the air shouved down idiots throats until theyre brainwashed that they actually like it. nobody even wants to play instruments anymore just sing through vocoders and jump around like idiots to a robot band lip sync. music is dead its all fabricated now like the old bubblegum/monkees and shit. artistic control my ass, you cant be yourself sucking corperate dick its not allowed.book suggestion - Pretty In Punk.
As women, we are fully aware that we have joined a male dominated subculture... you take what comes. Only the strongest survive... the rest go Rockabilly.
I didn't know I was supposed to be talking about how feminists can be assholes.instead of recognizing that feminists can be assholes and say things that really don't either make sense or help the cause of equality you just scream about how everyone who has anything to say other than 100% agreement with these kinds of reactionary identity politics is a fucked up patriarch.
simply retarded.simply examples ;]
because some people dont read everything and just start saying shit out their ass. im far from ignorant. i dont say something based on the fact that i hang out with and see types of behavior, i say things based on the fact that im a woman and i have personly delt with this type of behavior. so incase you didnt read my post from befor its here for you to read now.rule of thumb....when you have nothing intelligent to say use any means necessary to attack someones character to avoid looking as ignorant as you actually are.
Theres nothing else to be said here. aside from Gudj and Plagueship whether or not I agree or disagree with there argument this has turned into a elementary playground fight.
Have fun kids
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