Bernie Sanders

[Fuzzypeach]

I will have to. However he had some bad policies in the past: NAFTA, militarizing police, tough on crime, etc.

 

[Older Than Dirt]

Believe me i know, Biden's criminal justice history as a Senator, and history on bankruptcy in particular are awful. He's been in politics since 1973, representing a state that wasn't Confederate, but where folks do talk awful Southern.

That's one reason you have to look to him adopting Warren's bankruptcy policy wholesale. Her main thing in this policy is overturning all the bad stuff in the last bankruptcy bill, the one Biden was the Dem sponsor of, 20 years ago.

Because he was last a Senator in 2009. Since then, he was VP to Obama, who gave us Obamacare and did his best in the face of the Repub Senate caucus refusal of everything.

Like i said, i would rather have Bernie, and would really rather have Sen. Dr. Prof. Warren, but i will happily vote for Joe. Because the alternative is more Trump.

Nothing any Democrat says will mean a fucking thing unless Dems also recapture the Senate. Turn your ferocity there, where it will be needed.

 

[void gaze]

Only half of the delegates have been assigned. Bernie could totally catch up. Things are different than they were a month ago and there’s no reason to buy into the narrative of inevitability. And Biden can’t beat 45 in a million years. Today he came out of a week of hiding to mumble through a fifteen minute speech , looking and sounding drugged out of his mind. If he’s the nominee the dnc will almost definitely switch him out at the convention for someone who seems less like a lukewarm corpse.

 

[Older Than Dirt]

Bernie could totally catch up.

No, he can't, unless he wins 64.4% of all remaining delegates.

So far, he has won 39% of the 2300 delegates allotted, to Biden's 52%. So, he will have to do much better than he has in any primary so far, in every single remaining primary, to get a majority. That just isn't going to happen. He will drop out and endorse Biden soon.

https://www.npr.org/2020/02/10/7999...-2020-presidential-democratic-candidates-have

Toxic attacks on other Democrats by "Bernie Or Busters", like yours on Biden, and the general cult of personality around Bernie, are a big part of the reason Bernie won't be the nominee. Attacking other Democrats just convinces Democratic Party primary voters that this is not a person who can unify the Party and beat Trump.

 

[void gaze]

Oh

No, he can't, unless he wins 64.4% of all remaining delegates.

So far, he has won 39% of the 2300 delegates allotted, to Biden's 52%. So, he will have to do much better than he has in any primary so far, in every single remaining primary, to get a majority. That just isn't going to happen. He will drop out and endorse Biden soon.

https://www.npr.org/2020/02/10/7999...-2020-presidential-democratic-candidates-have

Toxic attacks on other Democrats by "Bernie Or Busters", like yours on Biden, and the general cult of personality around Bernie, are a big part of the reason Bernie won't be the nominee. Attacking other Democrats just convinces Democratic Party primary voters that this is not a person who can unify the Party and beat Trump.

Oh come on. Don’t pretend it’s about ‘Bernie bro twitter’ lmao. That’s messenger-shooting worthy of the prez. The party establishment and its wealthy donors would rather have tr*mp than a socialist. Simple as that. The fact that you can’t think of a single specific positive thing to say about Biden, his disappearing act and obvious incompetence, says plenty. They said ‘anyone but tr*mp’ and it’s very obvious they meant anyone but Bernie. Biden’s been napping for the past week. Imagine thinking that’s a leader who can ‘unite the party’ and defeat fascism. If he’s the nom the dem party is done. And deserves to be.

 

[Older Than Dirt]

The party establishment and its wealthy donors would rather have tr*mp than a socialist. Simple as that.

Well, them, and the very large majority of members of the Democratic Party who voted in primaries for someone else. That's the best thing i can think of to say about Joe- he is the most popular candidate.

Oh, and the fact that Bernie, and Warren, will endorse him soon, and will campaign for him, well, there's that, too.

And the idea that Bernie is a "Socialist" in anything but name is just silly- which industries does he advocate nationalizing again? Oh, none of them, right. He is a pretty typical left Democrat who won't join the party he wants to be the nominee of.

If he’s the nom the dem party is done. And deserves to be.

Good to know we can count on you in the fight against Fascism (as long as your cult-figure is the Dear Leader, that is).

With views like that, how do you expect your "Revolution" to make any converts, let alone almost double the number of supporters Bernie has so far, as he'd have to do to be the nominee?

Remember, every single one of those people that you have to convince to join the "Revolution" is a member of the Democratic Party you say deserves to be "done", if voters don't pick your preferred candidate.

 

[Fuzzypeach]

Believe me i know, Biden's criminal justice history as a Senator, and history on bankruptcy in particular are awful. He's been in politics since 1973, representing a state that wasn't Confederate, but where folks do talk awful Southern.

That's one reason you have to look to him adopting Warren's bankruptcy policy wholesale. Her main thing in this policy is overturning all the bad stuff in the last bankruptcy bill, the one Biden was the Dem sponsor of, 20 years ago.

Because he was last a Senator in 2009. Since then, he was VP to Obama, who gave us Obamacare and did his best in the face of the Repub Senate caucus refusal of everything.

Like i said, i would rather have Bernie, and would really rather have Sen. Dr. Prof. Warren, but i will happily vote for Joe. Because the alternative is more Trump.

Nothing any Democrat says will mean a fucking thing unless Dems also recapture the Senate. Turn your ferocity there, where it will be needed.

Yes, you are right. And yes I will.

 

[void gaze]

Calm down man I’m not planning a revolution - you don’t actually know what I think-, and ok ok we all know he’s a DEMOCRATIC socialist. Pick on my grammar too why don’t ya. His policies would directly improve the conditions of poor people. Biden not really besides which, again...come the f on. Where to begin? He can’t keep his hands off of women in public; at least 45 has closed doors and hush money. They voted for him because he’s Not Bernie and has no particular platform, ideas or spine. Being Not Trump won’t be such an asset in the general. He also told people to go to the polls when the cdc said not to. He gave Strom thurmond’s Eulogy, voted for the Iraq war, doma and the Hyde amendment a million times and the gop has been ready for a year to skin him alive over Ukraine. He has basically vanished in the middle of a historic crisis, and often appears sleepy, confused and unable to string together an intelligible sentence. I really don’t see this dude getting across the finish line. I know a lot of people are trying really hard to convince themselves he’s the one but he’s just so obviously pathetic. He’s a doddering creep and people are telling themselves he’s inevitable but I don’t think anyone is really crazy about him. Not nominating Bernie in 16 was the mistake that got us 45. Two losses to that guy and there probably won’t be another election.

 

[void gaze]

Oh don’t forget he’s wanted to cut social security, people love that especially older people who are overrepresented as voters

 

[Deleted member 13433]

Well, then ya'll be happy when Trump gets his second term, just like when he got his first.

 

[roughdraft]

nobody is gonna be happy with anybody as president because government is inherently shite

 

[SouthernSammon]

Yes. 100% I like Warren too, but the fact that she was a Repiblican for most of her life kinda turns me off of her being the frontrunner pick. But ya. Very good point. I think whoever he would choose as a VP would be very sound.

I don’t appreciate her lying about being indigenous though....

 

[Coywolf]

Well, then ya'll be happy when Trump gets his second term, just like when he got his first.

That's ridiculous. That is a bullshit Dem party catchphrase, everyone who is right in the head knows that Trump won because people didnt like hillary.

The idea that somehow thousands of people who wanted Bernie, didnt get him, and then voted for Trump is ridiculous.

If the Dem party put Sanders as the nominee in 2016, he would have won, and we wouldnt even HAVE trump.

And @Older Than Dirt I dont trust any fucking party that still continues a vote during a nationwide pandemic. The fact they did not suspend the primaries is one of the most irresponsible things I've ever seen from a 'Democratic' institution.

The Democratic party can go fuck itself. It has COMPLETELY written off the progressive wing of the party, and that will be its downfall.

I'm going to laugh when Joe's mental capacity continues to decline, they put him in a debate against Trump, he fucks up a question/response REALLY bad, and we wind up with 4 more years of Trump.

If that happens, no one but the Deomcratic party leadership will be to blame. Exact same thing as 2016.

 

[Fuzzypeach]

Biden's dementia is an ongoing concern for me. His pick for VPOTUS is critical.

 

[Older Than Dirt]

If the Dem party put Sanders as the nominee in 2016, he would have won, and we wouldnt even HAVE trump.

Of course we'll never know. And i have made this argument myself. But the fact is, Bernie Sanders endorsed Hillary in 2016, and campaigned for her. It wasn't enough to beat Trump.

And @Older Than Dirt I dont trust any fucking party that still continues a vote during a nationwide pandemic. The fact they did not suspend the primaries is one of the most irresponsible things I've ever seen from a 'Democratic' institution.

This doesn't make sense.

So the Democratic party is to blame that Sanders insists on continuing the primaries, despite the fact that it is impossible for him to win the nomination?

If the Democratic party had suspended the primaries in the wake of COV-19, the Bernie fans would all be screaming it was an establishment plot. Because if the primaries were to be suspended, then the nominee would have to be the one with the most votes before that (Biden, 52%).

Or do you think the Democratic party should have suspended the primaries and made Bernie the nominee because he has 39% of the delegates?

The Democratic party can go fuck itself. It has COMPLETELY written off the progressive wing of the party, and that will be its downfall.

I think what you mean is "The Democratic party can go fuck itself. Democratic primary voters preferred someone i don't like." No one has "written off the progressive wing of the party"; Biden has adopted several of Warren's policy proposals. And will probably adopt some of Bernie's.

The reason Bernie is not going to be the nominee is that black folks over 30 won't vote for him. Period. Not because of the sinister moves of Party elites.

Bernie and Warren will both endorse Joe Biden and campaign for him, because they know what's at stake.

 

[Older Than Dirt]

everyone who is right in the head knows that Trump won because people didnt like hillary.

Just have to add- Hillary got 3 million more votes than Trump, which was more votes than any other Presidential candidate in history.

Trump won because he got very very lucky in the Electoral College, not because Hillary was an unpopular candidate.

Incidentally, i supported Bernie in 2016 and voted for him in the NY primary (and for Hillary in the general).

 

[Deleted member 13433]

Coywolf

My friend... what you wrote in your post @ 3.38pm yesterday, that's literally what I wrote in my brief comment which you felt was stupid !!

I'm sorry you felt that way, but... my point was if the Left remains fractionalized, then the same thing that happened last time around will happen again in November, and I added some sarcasism that I hope those who hate Biden are happy with the outcome.

And, as OTD correctly observed, it's all about the electorial college, not the popular vote, and that is something that angers me very much.

I for one would have been very happy had Clinton won the election last time around.
*And before you ask, I'm a member of the Working Families Party.....

Cheers Mate.

 

[Coywolf]

@Older Than Dirt yes, I know that the losing candidate would probably support the candidate, the whole "lesser evil" mentality.

And the reason I say what I said about the primaries, is because the government is issuing guidance that essentially says "STAY HOME" yet the democratic party issues different guidance. I severely doubt many Bernie supporters would call "foul" if the primaries were suspended. Bernie himself was one of the first politicians to come out supporting the "stay home, social distancing" guidance.

Hillary was an INCREDIBLY unpopular candidate. So unpopular, in fact, that many lifelong democrats voted for Trump instead of her.

All you have to do is watch the many voter interviews after the election to see that.

I know how this country runs its politics. It's an oligarchy, and has been since Regan, even before Regan...but that doesnt mean I have to like it.

With Biden as the next option, I have a very heavy conscience in continuing that bullshit the wealthy class has given us as a "choice".

 

[Coywolf]

@OTTERWOLF I may have missed the sarcasm, if that was the case, in your previous post.

If that was the case, my bad.

I have invested so much effort into the cause that may pull our country out of the money-fueled plutocracy we currently live in, that after these results, twice, I'm just starting to lose hope. It's really, really sad. I'm not sure, after looking at the primaries, that our country deserves anything more than what we currently have.

 

[Deleted member 13433]

Coywolf
I wholeheartedly agree and can understand your frustration, as it's very hard to keep hope alive, especially in these times.

Have a Good Night !!
I'm attempting to finish my census 2020 now...........