Bernie Sanders

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I'm not sure, after looking at the primaries, that our country deserves anything more than what we currently have.

"Every nation gets the government it deserves."

It's a depressing way to look at it, but it's probably half true. You should look at the fact that our representative democracy doesn't always reflect the will of the people, if you want to be less bummed out. There is a severe lack of real education on subjects now. It's mostly just people who have a feeling and read or hear a phrase that interacts with their emotions and boom that is their new core belief and no amount of evidence to the contrary will sway them. That and people are so overconfident, like what they think can't possibly be wrong because they are the one who thinks it. Just becomes pure sloppy ideology.

Seems to me like when people financially struggle they tend to become more emotional, leading to things being more about psychology than economics or civics or philosophy or whatever, resulting in poorer choices overall which can exacerbate the issue. Might be in kind of a negative feedback loop with this shit right now.

My hope is basically in a beneficial fluke happening and people irrationally latching onto something advantageous for the working class by accident. Rising tide lifts all ships and shit. I really don't want to vote for Joe Biden but I can't relate to the impulse to burn the whole thing down because we didn't get our ideal choice. But at the same time maybe they need 4 more years of Trump to see how bad this is and actually learn. Or maybe they wouldn't learn from it and 4 more years of Trump will just be 4 more shit years. This is the most uncomfortable choice I've had to make in a while lol.

 

[Deleted member 13433]

wow... !!

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man, this:

"Every nation gets the government it deserves."

You hit it. You really hit it there.....

I was thinking just yesterday about how there once was a period of time where I felt that abstaining was a legit form of voting if one was not happy with either choice [and to an extent, I still feel this way... because being forced to choose between two bad options is insulting to one's intelligence...] BUT whoa... the Trump.... I still can't believe that he ended up being the Republican choice for the man to steer the ship - it's beyond belief !!

But the Trump became master of one thing no one else in recent times was able to do -right wrong or indifferent - and that was become the master of the catch phrase, the slogan - be it "Jail Hillary" or "Make American Hate Again", oops I mean "Great Again"... and the people bought it hook line and sinker.

Many of my friend to the Left were so against the idea of Clinton being elected, that I soon realized that if this was any indication on how the left really felt, then it was going to be real easy for that buffoon from Manhattan to win, which of course he did thanks to our rigged system [*Trumps words too !!] which uses the electorial college to elect the president...

"Every nation gets the government it deserves."

Yes - as far as the United States goes.

But No as far as other parts of the world go where their rulers [for lack of a better word...] are often put in power, and the people have no say whatsoever, and are often persecuted greatly as a direct result.

"Every nation gets the government it deserves."

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*those prophetic words which you have spoken are truly what's going to happen here this time around !!

Please people, we gotta at least try to vote the Trump out of office, and if Joe Biden is the man that is up against the Trump, then Joe Biden's got my vote.

Time to batten down the hatches, things are about to get real bad out here.................

Anarchy Peace FREEDOM and Love..............

Big George + Loki the Dog xoxo

 

[Older Than Dirt]

I don't think there is going to be anyone who posts here who is going to say "Joe Biden is my #1 choice!"

But he will run on the most progressive, left platform of any Democratic candidate in history (just as Hillary was to the left of any previous candidate, whatever some want to believe). Bernie, Warren, AOC, etc have been very effective in pushing the party to stop being scared of what Republicans will say, and push for things that help ordinary people.

And the alternative is Trump unleashed, as an unimpeachable King and dictator. There might not be a 2024 election if he is re-elected.

And Joe Biden is the only Presidential candidate ever who says stuff like "You're full of shit, man!", which ought to win him some points with the StP crowd.

And all this stuff about dementia won't survive hearing him speak. All humans, of all ages, make speech errors. Joe Biden has been tripping over his own tongue as long as he has been a politician (since 1973), and doesn't do it any more now than when he was 30. Trump can barely get through a sentence without evidence of dementia.

And older black folks love the man. They are the backbone of the Democratic Party, and you can't get elected without a whole lot of those black church ladies with the hats campaigning for you.

 

[Older Than Dirt]

So now Bernie is out. He hasn't endorsed Joe yet, but he will.

So, the remaining choices are Joe Biden or Donald Trump. Voting for anyone but Biden means you are voting for more Trump, and not voting means you are voting for more Trump. Hitler got elected when Communists were too pure to vote against him, and for a moderate left candidate.

On the menu today, we have a choice of day-old McDonalds, or old tires and anthrax. There aren't any other choices.

Tough decision i know.

 

[Deleted member 13433]

*Its actually not a tough decision, it's the right decision... unless one loves what we currently have.

 

[Xxcooltoesxx]

Bernie Sanders is trying turn into a socialism government and what always follows with that socialism turn into a communist government

 

[Older Than Dirt]

Probably you should have payed more attention in high school, or read some things about politics and history, before you post silly opinions like this.

By your standards, every single other industrialized country is communist or will turn communist, because every single other industrialized country provides their citizens with way more benefits than Bernie ever promised, with about the same amount of taxes. Free health care, free or very cheap education and daycare, a right to housing and enough money to buy food, good public transportation everywhere, roads and bridges that are well-maintained, parks and sports centers in neighborhoods. Before the Brits chime in- you still have almost all of that, had all of it pre-Maggie.

The difference is, people in other countries get stuff back when they pay taxes; Americans don't. Rich Americans have convinced you, who are most likely broke as shit, that this is a good thing.

 

[Xxcooltoesxx]

Yeah I get it.But what country can you legally carry firearms,freedom of speech,eastern Europe is pitiful ,look at what communism has done there . Democracy is the reason why ...look I don’t need to explain to someone who’s older than me why America is the fucking shit, envy of the world ,we run this shit.if America falls the whole world falls as well .Do you even know what the citizens Of countries even want ? I don’t either.But they want that Red White an Blue .they dream of democracy, look how many kids look up to America all over the world they leave there homes in there own country to come here An try to get A job go to college,play in professional sports,,i don’t know what else is there that they look up to,but it’s definitely not socialism nor communism.

 

[Older Than Dirt]

America is not "the envy of the world", America has been a third-world country with shitty living standards, very bad health care, very expensive education, shitty expensive housing, etc, etc, but with an unusually large number of rich people, for longer than you have been alive.

I am old enough to remember when some of the things you say were true, but they have been less and less true every year since Reagan got in in 1980.

No Canadian or Western European wants to become a US citizen unless they marry an American or something. Their lives are much better and more comfortable than the lives of Americans.

Every country in Western Europe, and Canada, is at least as democratic as the US, BTW- more so, because they don't have an Electoral College electing presidents with fewer votes than the loser, or a Senate where states with fewer people than neighborhoods in NYC get 2 Senators each, and NYC shares 2 Senators with the rest of a very large state with lots of big cities.

People from very poor countries want to immigrate here because they think life in America is like American TV and American movies. People want to immigrate here because they believe they will get rich, or at least will live in a "first world" country, where things are run according to the law, and everything is nicer than at home. My wife was one of them- she moved here from Brazil in 1999.

But what they get isn't what they saw on TV and in the movies.

Americans get screwed for the benefit of the super-rich; enough working-class Americans vote for this to keep things that way.

The Republican Party wants to fuck America harder, the Democrats at their worst at least insist on lube, and sometimes make the Republicans stop fucking us altogether.

 

[Deleted member 13433]

Some real good points, everyone wants to come to America, the land of the free, the land of milk and honey... shit, my mom who grew up in Germany - she broke an engagement she had with a fellow German, just so she could hitch up with my father and come to America [and somewhere along the line, I arrived as well....]

Now - in the early - mid 1960s things were still pretty desperate in Germany, so getting out of Germany was the goal of many of it's people - hence my relatives are scattered in places like South Africa, Belguim, now Australia.... but only my mom made it to America.

Why ??

That's a very good question - but I do know that it did not take long for my mom to realize she made a huge mistake in coming here, when she saw how polluted it was, how much crime there was, how disrespectful people were/are - all these things still hold true today, but because my mom was married, she decided to stick it out and hope things would always improve.

Did they ??

Well, we did have a nice home in Brooklyn, in the 1970s/80s with both my parents working sometimes two jobs at once to make ends meet, but it was nice... eventually I split in 1987 and moved to Connecticut, my parents soon followed - no lie - first year 1992 their place gets broken into.

NEVER had that problem in Brooklyn NY
So, the grass is not always greener...............

And yes, we do have freedom of speech - somewhat, and the right to bear arms - somewhat... but the problem is now you need to carry arms because it's gotten so damn violent out here, and that to me is not freedom - that is necessity... and that is not a healthy way to live.


True story - I knew a driver for Victory Car Service in Bay Ridge Brooklyn, he was from I think Pakastan... this would be around 1990/92 maybe.... and to him, riding in his car - working for the car service - that was to him the American Dream.

Real nice guy, I can't even begin to imagine what it was like where he came from.

A surprising amount come here from other countries to exploit our wealth - then split the first chance they can.

Don't get me wrong, I like my present situation - but it comes with a price, as everything in life does....

But as time goes on, sometimes I really have to ask if it is worth it - especially now with this virus going around.

Everywhere else in the rest of the world, they know how to deal with these kinds of things but not here in America, makes you wonder don't it ???

I often wonder how America would handle 5 solid years of starvation......

 

[Xxcooltoesxx]

So @Xxcooltoesxx you're voting for Biden then - great!

I’m voting for a republican

 

[Xxcooltoesxx]

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

@OTTERWOLF

 

[Barf]

I sure as hell ain't gunna let the queen of England live in my house!

 

[Older Than Dirt]

Well, if being able to own a gun is more important to you than being able to afford one, maybe that'll work out for you.

If you think you need a gun for when we Democrats come to force you to have free education, and free healthcare, and a right to earn enough money to live on if you work, and to not starve when you get old, you may find that it's hard to shoot at social benefits.

Oh, fine, we'll also make you get gay-married, and turn your kids turn gay, and make them get lots of abortions from being pregnant from all the gay sex we will make them have.

 

[Xxcooltoesxx]

Us Americans we govern ourselves

 

[Older Than Dirt]

The Democratic Party is kind of big on democracy, thus the name. 3 million more Americans voted for Hillary than voted for your man Trump.

The Republican Party is the one that spends an enormous amount of money and energy to make it as hard as possible for Americans to vote, and to stop counting votes when they lose. Only Republicans have engaged in election fraud in recent memory.

The guy you plan to vote for is by far the stupidest, and by far the most corrupt, and by far the least competent, person to be President in the history of this country. People are dying every day right now because he is so spectacularly totally shit at his job.

He is also the stooge/puppet/lap-dog/bitch (only he knows which) of the President of Russia, which doesn't sound good for governing ourselves.

This is a guy who has never worked a single day in his life, who pissed through half a billion dollars of his dad's money in the real estate business in NYC, went bankrupt six times running casinos (even though he stiffed all the contractors and tradesmen who built them), and then went into money-laundering for US and Russian organized crime, and parlayed that into a gig playing a rich guy on TV, and parlayed that into being the worst President in history, and who is married to an ex-expensive call-girl who will divorce him the second he isn't in the White House anymore.

He will most likely die in prison, or in exile in Russia.

 

[Xxcooltoesxx]

How about President George Bush he was not intelligent. I lived through multiple crises among the presidents I remember 9/11 ,and I remember the recession, and now it’s covid - 19 .President Donald Trump was the best so far out of those three , Unemployenot was at its lowest,Prison reform,and the stock market was doing good,until this happened . We had some shoddy Presidents over the years, in my opinion ,.,,,With regards to a well regulated militia that could be a Police Force,Secret Police Force ,an Organization,The mafia,Freedom Fighters . Coy wolf put a thread or whatever you call it about Bernie Sanders an I added my two cents to say it,I don’t like how he was against millionaires and billionaires claiming free college for all,,who the fuck is going to be pay all that money,the professors have to get paid ,,,,,books,,,,,,college dorms,,,,and other stuff.But then Bernie Sanders just recently makes millionaire dollars a year.So now it’s screw the billionaires,cut there heads off,an what not , most people worked hard for there money ,whether or not the Rothschild or some families that been making money since before world war 1 , like Henry Ford ,Ray Kroc ,The Ben @ Jerry brothers, and quite a few ,not every millionaire and billionaire is bad or evil . There just like you and I ,there humans to.President Donald Trump eats a bag a chips like we do .I know and think he gets to much shit thrown on him, for a bill to get passed it has to legislative branch,and judicial branch,and to the executive branch.He’s really been chilling.

 

[Deleted member 13433]

Well, I give you credit for standing by your convictions... but I don't think you are going to find much of a sympathetic ear here.

Don't worry, your boy is going to get re-elected and it's going to be a land slide, thanks to the Left who will refuse to support the candidate running against him.

Now I personally feel health care and education could be fully funded just like other countries do, but that would mean trimming the fat for those at the top and also the almighty defense industry, which honestly...has not given a good return on tax payer dollars in quite some time now.

I'm also not as narrow minded as you might think, as - I though Bush Jr's first term was good, but his second term was atrocious as he gave so much to the rich, it was beyond disgusting.

The amount spent on companies like Halliburton cannot be denied either.

But I did like Reagan, Bush the elder, Clinton, Obama, and in retrospect Carter as well.....

I've mentioned this before how in the 1980s in NYC I was a regestered Conservative because the party back then was like a wild off-shoot of the Libertarian's, as opposed to what it's turned into today.

Much of my adult life was as a regestered Republican, but then by 2003 my eyes were opened forever and there was no turning back so I went Green.

But then the Greens were anything but what I thought they'd be so I went back to Republican to support a local candidate here in my town - who turned out to be beyond terrible, and today I'm a member of the so called "quasi marxist socialist" Working Families Party because they suit my needs best, and I can get on board with their party platform as well.

I'm surprised that you did not mention "the common people" when it came to your definition which was previously asked regarding the 2nd ammendment, and yes.. I know what it means.

I also have to disagree with - I mean, I cannot support the ultra rich... especially today.
I also can't support a president who never served in the military yet touts himself as a war time president, and makes all his money by losing daddy's.... and by the way, HE was no friend to the working class either.

But it's all good, you are free to believe as you wish, as this is still a somewhat free society.
May your man in office continue to serve you well.


Cheers..... I'm out.

 

[mylon]

Probably you should have payed more attention in high school

Oh the irony. At least you're not still stealth-flexing your credentials with your "disclaimer" at the end of all your posts.

 

[Older Than Dirt]

Blow me. So i can't spell very well- i am a high-school drop-out after all.

Posting anything that might be construed as legal advice without a disclaimer can get a person in trouble. At least 90% of my posts here have been about other shit, and thus haven't needed one.
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Turns out, after checking two actual dictionaries rather than just doing a quick google, that maybe @mylon should have payed more attention in English class if he was planning on trying to flex his language skills. "Payed" is a perfectly respectable past tense of "pay". A bunch of online sources claim it is archaic, or should only be used when referring to rope.This seems to be one of the many made-up rules of English that some like to police.

So blow me twice. And yes, i did leave out a debatable comma there. On purpose.