Bernie Sanders

[Coywolf]

**Disclaimer**

I know this site is mainly anarchist minded, I'm not trying to advocate for, or against, any type of government or candidate.

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That being said. This guy, Bernie Sanders, is probably one of the most genuine political figures I have ever seen in this country. I've been paying attention to him since 2015, and the shit this man has to say is pretty incredible.

Medicare for all, socializing higher education, ending LGBTQ discrimination, ending cultural/finanacial misogyny, taking big money out of politics...

The guy was hit with a fire hose multiple times in the civil rights/women's rights protests, just saying.

Curious what others on here think about this guy....

DISCUSS!

 

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If he had gotten a fair shake in 2016 I think we might have a different president now. Lot of news outlets went out of their way to ignore him in favor of Clinton, to the point where lots of people did the same as me and just didn't vote. I mean what was I going to do, vote for the candidate who got shoved down my throat?

His platform is nice and consistent over time with a relatively solid basis in established economic theory and objective reality. Except now he's an almost 80 year old man who just had a heart attack, so his choice of VP would be a pretty major thing. Just in case. Sanders/Warren?

 

[Coywolf]

Just in case. Sanders/Warren?

Yes. 100% I like Warren too, but the fact that she was a Repiblican for most of her life kinda turns me off of her being the frontrunner pick. But ya. Very good point. I think whoever he would choose as a VP would be very sound.

 

[Deleted member 26656]

Yes. 100% I like Warren too, but the fact that she was a Repiblican for most of her life kinda turns me off of her being the frontrunner pick. But ya. Very good point. I think whoever he would choose as a VP would be very sound.

She was a Republican? Weird..

 

[Desperado Deluxe]

Not a fan personally. I don't believe I should have to pay more taxes for rich white kids to go to school and run up a planned parenthood bill. As for "taking big money out of politics" all his funding comes from big money in an attempt to sway politics. I don't believe in socialism period. Its basically modern fuedalism. Reserving more for the already rich and handing chump change to disenfranchised minorities with no real hope or opportunity to acquire wealth to transcend their situation. Socialism is totally bogus and the opposite of anarchism because it gives the government too much control. Just another politician nothing more nothing less.

 

[Dmac]

Sanders also applauded the socialist takeover of the Venezuelan government. believed the u.s. should do the same. Once the wealthiest country in South America Now they have mass starvation and exodus as a consequence of the socialist policies enacted by Chavez and then Madura. Policies designed to end the income gap. Widespread nationalization of private industry, currency and price control and huge expansion of welfare. Sound familiar? It didn’t work out for them, think it will be different here? Oh and the government started locking up anyone who spoke out against it, took them about 5 or 6 years before they started, but they got good at it fast.

 

[Coywolf]

Not a fan personally. I don't believe I should have to pay more taxes for rich white kids to go to school and run up a planned parenthood bill. As for "taking big money out of politics" all his funding comes from big money in an attempt to sway politics. I don't believe in socialism period. Its basically modern fuedalism. Reserving more for the already rich and handing chump change to disenfranchised minorities with no real hope or opportunity to acquire wealth to transcend their situation. Socialism is totally bogus and the opposite of anarchism because it gives the government too much control. Just another politician nothing more nothing less.

...ok. I'm really going to have to ask where you are getting your information from.

Sanders in the ONLY democratic candidate that has refused corporate funding...and that fact is easily searchable, as you can google it in any aspect.

Also, I would like to say that your definition of socialism may be a bit skewed towards communism...which it is not.

Further more, being a democratic socialist is far different from being a total socialist. A total socialist government is borderline authoritarianism, and I would agre with you in that fact.

Sanders has proposed policies that redirect tax income that would benefit the working class, rather than spend billions on wars in foreign countries for our 'interest', and would expand social programs instead of locking up minorities and migrants in cages.

handing chump change to disenfranchised minorities with no real hope or opportunity to acquire wealth to transcend their situation.

I'm not even sure what to say about this...it basically says that you dont believe these groups of people deserve a fair shake in society....which is borderline fascism...

Socialism is totally bogus and the opposite of anarchism because it gives the government too much control.

Pretty sure we went over this in this thread:
Anarchy is actually far right | Squat the Planet - https://squattheplanet.com/threads/anarchy-is-actually-far-right.32988/

Just another politician nothing more nothing less

Lastly, if you are going to state that the opinions this person has are borderline the same with Trump, McConnel, Hillary Clinton, Pelosi, or Schumer....you are either a lobbyist, or have obviously not been paying attention.

 

[David1]

I think Bernie belongs in Vermont and if he becomes president The Green Mountain State will lose a good man. The job will probably kill him due to the stress. Just look and before and after pics of most of the presidents.

 

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Sanders also applauded the socialist takeover of the Venezuelan government. believed the u.s. should do the same. Once the wealthiest country in South America Now they have mass starvation and exodus as a consequence of the socialist policies enacted by Chavez and then Madura. Policies designed to end the income gap. Widespread nationalization of private industry, currency and price control and huge expansion of welfare. Sound familiar? It didn’t work out for them, think it will be different here? Oh and the government started locking up anyone who spoke out against it, took them about 5 or 6 years before they started, but they got good at it fast.

Kind of ignores that every single industrialized nation on the planet has socialized things. Large part of Venezuela's woes are from oil too. More complicated than a news snippet.

 

[Deleted member 24029]

...with all due respect to the 'Wolf, I may have to recuse myself from this debate...I know Bernie, we've disagreed some, and he once called the cops on me (you know how antiwar protests get).

 

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Not a fan personally. I don't believe I should have to pay more taxes for rich white kids to go to school and run up a planned parenthood bill. As for "taking big money out of politics" all his funding comes from big money in an attempt to sway politics. I don't believe in socialism period. Its basically modern fuedalism. Reserving more for the already rich and handing chump change to disenfranchised minorities with no real hope or opportunity to acquire wealth to transcend their situation. Socialism is totally bogus and the opposite of anarchism because it gives the government too much control. Just another politician nothing more nothing less.

You need to hit up a dictionary and Snopes or something, man. That's a lot of just straight up bad information.

 

[Coywolf]

Sanders also applauded the socialist takeover of the Venezuelan government. believed the u.s. should do the same. Once the wealthiest country in South America Now they have mass starvation and exodus as a consequence of the socialist policies enacted by Chavez and then Madura. Policies designed to end the income gap. Widespread nationalization of private industry, currency and price control and huge expansion of welfare. Sound familiar? It didn’t work out for them, think it will be different here? Oh and the government started locking up anyone who spoke out against it, took them about 5 or 6 years before they started, but they got good at it fast.

Again. There is a huge difference here. Sanders is not lobbying for a government takeover of systems that provide a healthy economy.

Healthcare is the single most reason most middle/lower class people are in debt. If you can argue why the private insurance companies should continue to be able to charge INSANE amounts of money to keep you alive, and charge that to the American taxpayers (under medicare/medicade)....I'll be listening.

The problem in South America is that public control went too far. Sanders isint for a totally socialist government. Democratic socialism is a completely different system. It would not eliminate capitalism, only keep the greed hungry capitalists in check.

Example: oil/gas industries that have ruined our planet. Public utility companies (which have now turned into corporate machines denying electricity, internet, and heat to citizens in this country. Those are essentially basic necessities in today's world), lending and mortgage companies, ect.

 

[Coywolf]

...with all due respect to the 'Wolf, I may have to recuse myself from this debate...I know Bernie, we've disagreed some, and he once called the cops on me (you know how antiwar protests get).

Now I'm curious. Especially how you and him disagreed during a protest. That dude has always been on the right side of a protest from what I've seen.

 

[Coywolf]

@Dmac you are right though, he did support that takeover. However it was the CIA who implemented many of those leaders in SA...mainly do to the fact they would agree with the drug war they had implemented after regan....so....not sure ang of that had any real goal of change to their countries.....more of subservience to ours...

 

[Deleted member 24029]

'Wolf, I was protesting his "yes" vote on sending arms to Israel. As an (atheistic) Jewish person myself I have always been for an antiwar solution there...

 

[Coywolf]

I don't believe I should have to pay more taxes for rich white kids to go to school and run up a planned parenthood bill.

Woah. Fucking WOAH! I didnt catch this part at first....are you serious? Are you REALLY saying that, rich white kids, who would have the only option of going to Planned Parenthood, would run up Bill's to your taxes to you because they have no other option?!

Holy fuck dude. How much Rush Limbaugh you been listening to?

I dont mean to be an asshole about it, but jesus. You've been here for a long time. You cant be serious with that argument.

 

[Coywolf]

@Bey ya, I agree with you. We are all seeing how that was a terrible decision now.

However, he has since come out as one of the only people against the 'Isreal or bust' mentality in today's government.

I'm pretty sure members of Trumps cabinet have called him 'anti semetic' because of it....which is hilarious, being that he is jewish

 

[roughdraft]

i wonder if this thread will be an actual discussion or just devolve quickly into a bunch of emotional fingerpointing....

 

[Deleted member 26656]

Kind of ignores that every single industrialized nation on the planet has socialized things. Large part of Venezuela's woes are from oil too. More complicated than a news snippet.

Oh my God this dude has absolutely no clue what he is talking about.
hey homie Venezuela's problems are actually due to the United States sanctions we're literally billions of dollars are sitting in a bank that should be going to Venezuela from all the oil that they sold in the United States.

 

[Deleted member 26656]

Not a fan personally. I don't believe I should have to pay more taxes for rich white kids to go to school and run up a planned parenthood bill. As for "taking big money out of politics" all his funding comes from big money in an attempt to sway politics. I don't believe in socialism period. Its basically modern fuedalism. Reserving more for the already rich and handing chump change to disenfranchised minorities with no real hope or opportunity to acquire wealth to transcend their situation. Socialism is totally bogus and the opposite of anarchism because it gives the government too much control. Just another politician nothing more nothing less.

this guy has absolutely no clue what he is talking about he's just spewing empty right-wing rhetoric that he heard on Fox news.
What's what's next, gays need to see a psychiatrist?