Bernie Sanders

[Deleted member 26656]

Stochacracy jesus.christ

@ScarletMountain nearly everything youve said is, again, wrong. Distinguishing between right and wrong is of course incredibly difficult, because all knowledge rests on the unknowable, that which we cant prove merely by logical deduction and instead begins with, necessarily somatic, experience. This is why meditation as we understand it is an inherently physical practice, although its worth noting that "meditatsio" itself means to think, and that the majority of the buddhist traditions make only functional distinction between reading philosophy and focusing on sensation, points.in the body, the breath etc.

If youre inclined, try this. Sit in a stable, upright posture that can be comfortable enough for long periods of time, with your back straight, hands resting comfortably placing no strain on the shoulders, and head as if suspended by a string from the crown of the head. Focus on the sensation of alternating cool and warm in your nostrils as your breath comes and goes, or on your upper lip, or simply on the point between your eyebrows if you like. If your mind wants to wander, let it wander to physical sensations. Perhaps your back aches, or your butt is warm. If you can, soften these points of tension, in your back, brows, wherever. Continue as long as you can, but dont let yourself go nuts. Theres value in sitting w and experiencing frustration, but not w winding yourself up. This is one method of coming to know your 'self', which is necessary before you can reliably know anything else

Have fun in your transindental state, while the Earth is dieing.

 

[Deleted member 26656]

Stochacracy jesus.christ

@ScarletMountain nearly everything youve said is, again, wrong. Distinguishing between right and wrong is of course incredibly difficult, because all knowledge rests on the unknowable, that which we cant prove merely by logical deduction and instead begins with, necessarily somatic, experience. This is why meditation as we understand it is an inherently physical practice, although its worth noting that "meditatsio" itself means to think, and that the majority of the buddhist traditions make only functional distinction between reading philosophy and focusing on sensation, points.in the body, the breath etc.

If youre inclined, try this. Sit in a stable, upright posture that can be comfortable enough for long periods of time, with your back straight, hands resting comfortably placing no strain on the shoulders, and head as if suspended by a string from the crown of the head. Focus on the sensation of alternating cool and warm in your nostrils as your breath comes and goes, or on your upper lip, or simply on the point between your eyebrows if you like. If your mind wants to wander, let it wander to physical sensations. Perhaps your back aches, or your butt is warm. If you can, soften these points of tension, in your back, brows, wherever. Continue as long as you can, but dont let yourself go nuts. Theres value in sitting w and experiencing frustration, but not w winding yourself up. This is one method of coming to know your 'self', which is necessary before you can reliably know anything else

Pretty sure this has nothing to do with Bernie Sanders..

 

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So this topic now has one person saying there is photographic evidence that ice caps are melting, and one saying there is photographic evidence that they are expanding. This really sums up the central problem with our society right now. People can't agree on even baseline facts, they just believe whatever they see that feels right to them.

Currently, during winter months, the ice caps are expanding at an above average speed. That is correct, but it's also a facile argument used by people who don't believe in the scientific process because the increased freeze speed during winter months is dramatically more than offset by the increased thawing in summer months.

So the "they are expanding" argument holds about as much water as the much maligned "how can there be global warming if it's cold outside today?"

We have to work on being a little less gullible, culturally. The temptation to be the one "in the know" and different from all the "sheeple" must be overwhelming but if you believe something that the scientific consensus overwhelmingly casts doubt on you have to at least be a little open minded to the possibility that you're wrong.

These weird arguments about how the ice caps are expanding, solar and wind are bad, the newish "well something is happening but I doubt the consensus on anthropogenic climate change" all come from people whose background is in PR, not climatology. They get paid a ton of money by special interest groups to come up with arguments they think people might fall for, then they put the phrases or arguments through focus groups, then if they do well they have people say them on the news.

tl;dr pretty sure they're melting

 

[Maxnomad]

@Travelisinvigorating transcendence is a stupid concept, because there is no where in particular to transcend to. If you were to transcend to somewhere, you would be somewhere, and hence not "transcended"

You seem a little uptight. Perhaps you should try meditating

 

[Deleted member 26656]

@Travelisinvigorating transcendence is a stupid concept, because there is no where in particular to transcend to. If you were to transcend to somewhere, you would be somewhere, and hence not "transcended"

You seem a little uptight. Perhaps you should try meditating
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Perhaps you should shut the hell up new age yuppie trash.

 

[Deleted member 26656]

Look look...I are meditation has it's place and all, but you're derailing this thread.

 

[Deleted member 26656]

Coywolf, you ready to be president?

 

[Maxnomad]

Oops. I clicked agree before i realized you hadnt merely quoted me, but inserted your own threats. I dont intend to shut up. I do intend to continue refining my ability to act in the world, gracefully when im able and agressively when necessary.

Ask yourself "how red is my face right now? Are my hands trembling? Can i cope without punching holes in the wall?" Then ask yourself "how useful am i in this state?"

 

[Maxnomad]

And no, im not. Pursuing a better ability to engage with the world facilitates all decision making, including whether and how to vote

 

[Deleted member 26656]

Oops. I clicked agree before i realized you hadnt merely quoted me, but inserted your own threats. I dont intend to shut up. I do intend to continue refining my ability to act in the world, gracefully when im able and agressively when necessary.

Ask yourself "how red is my face right now? Are my hands trembling? Can i cope without punching holes in the wall?" Then ask yourself "how useful am i in this state?"

Fuck you, you transendtal rich yuppie

 

[Deleted member 26656]

And no, im not. Pursuing a better ability to engage with the world facilitates all decision making, including whether and how to vote

Screw you, you dub ass fuck

 

[Deleted member 26656]

And no, im not. Pursuing a better ability to engage with the world facilitates all decision making, including whether and how to vote

Did you sit there and meditate for a while before you went and voted for Trump?

 

[Coywolf]

Sweet Christ @Travelisinvigorating and @Maxnomad chill out. I dont want this thread to get shut down, or anyone to get warnings/banned here.

I've already asked this once.

 

[Deleted member 26656]

Sweet Christ @Travelisinvigorating and @Maxnomad chill out. I dont want this thread to get shut down, or anyone to get warnings/banned here.

I've already asked this once.

Oh coywolf, don't me so mellow dramatic.
This guy is probably a lobbyist or something.

 

[feralautistic]

really though, it's useful to stop and experience the world directly. in every context, including this one.

if you're relying on your own experience of being in the world instead of stories told by the media, you will see that the world isnt divided into periods based on the current president of america. fuck trump, I hope he dies, but the government is continuing as it has since it began. he's not exceptional in any way except for in how he reveals democracy as a farce.

if you were living in the world 100% of the time, not consuming the narratives of other people, you would not notice an abrupt change when trump was inaugurated. there's been changes over the past few years but the world changes continuously, and the state is always escalating its oppression.

so I think it's relevant here to bring up how we're living and where we get our knowledge from

edit- not sure I got across I was talking about @Maxnomad's intro to meditation here

 

[WyldLyfe]

It doesn't matter who they put in the position, politicians are politicians they black mail each other and are puppets and the same narrative continues. It makes no difference what so ever if someone from the right or left wing wins.. the wings belong to the same bird.. its the same thing just at different ends of the spectrum like hot an cold water, ones hot ones cold but same thing... people think there votes means something... did you see when trump won, Hillary and Trumps acting was quiet good the way they went back and forth with each other. They play off peoples emotions and wounds.. people with mother issues are more likely to go to the left, wanting everything to be nice, people to nurture each other and to be loved. People on the right have father issues, wanting a strong figure to guide an protect them and take charge and make things happen. We need to become our own leaders. Because they've never cared about us they hate us an see us as nothing more then dumb cattle.

 

[Deleted member 26656]

It doesn't matter who they put in the position, politicians are politicians they black mail each other and are puppets and the same narrative continues. It makes no difference what so ever if someone from the right or left wing wins.. the wings belong to the same bird.. its the same thing just at different ends of the spectrum like hot an cold water, ones hot ones cold but same thing... people think there votes means something... did you see when trump won, Hillary and Trumps acting was quiet good the way they went back and forth with each other. They play off peoples emotions and wounds.. people with mother issues are more likely to go to the left, wanting everything to be nice, people to nurture each other and to be loved. People on the right have father issues, wanting a strong figure to guide an protect them and take charge and make things happen. We need to become our own leaders. Because they've never cared about us they hate us an see us as nothing more then dumb cattle.

Actually, Bernie was different. Not to mention, he would have outlawed lobbyist, that's a start.

 

[Coywolf]

It doesn't matter who they put in the position, politicians are politicians they black mail each other and are puppets and the same narrative continues. It makes no difference what so ever if someone from the right or left wing wins.. the wings belong to the same bird.. its the same thing just at different ends of the spectrum like hot an cold water, ones hot ones cold but same thing... people think there votes means something... did you see when trump won, Hillary and Trumps acting was quiet good the way they went back and forth with each other. They play off peoples emotions and wounds.. people with mother issues are more likely to go to the left, wanting everything to be nice, people to nurture each other and to be loved. People on the right have father issues, wanting a strong figure to guide an protect them and take charge and make things happen. We need to become our own leaders. Because they've never cared about us they hate us an see us as nothing more then dumb cattle.

This is so fucking wrong that I almost rated your post as 'stupid'.

So it makes absolutely no difference whether Trump or Bernie Sanders wins the next election? That's moronic.

One candidate will abolish the electoral college, which will be a drastic change to voters actually mattering. And one will try to change presidential term limits, and legitimize gerrymandering so our country falls into a dictatorship.

This is how you fuck up a country. Indifference.

Not meaning to be an asshole, you are just horribly, horribly wrong in that opinion.

 

[WyldLyfe]

Hey Wolf.. im not indifferent to things going on in the world, but yeah, iv never voted.

If Bernie gets into the position you want him to, he prob wont do half the stuff he said he would or even less. like every politician does, if thats because they flat out lied to get the position or they have been black mailed, compromised, or threatened.. whatever but keep believing the lies, keep thinking one of these assholes are gonna save there countries and the human race..

Your country is already fucked. For it to get better, and other countries we need a whole new ball game, no more of this feed back loop where people think something is gonna happen awesomely but its just, oh here we go again, what im talking about would take enormous effort on behalf of the people, unity and conscious evolution as a collective, and many would just flat out say, your dreaming the people would never do that, and say its never going to happen, not every one tho. Until then its round and round we go. Politicians are just not for the people.. so people should be for the people. Or at least vet leaders, they should have a good track record of doing good for the society not just based on there money an connections.

Government: From the Latin verb gubernare: "to control" and the Latin word mens: "Mind"

 

[WyldLyfe]

It's like humanity is in a relationship with its false parent who's abusive, but when humanity grows up it won't need its false parent to tell it how to behave and how things should be or falsely are, it won't even need to exist, there'll be no place for it.