Bernie Sanders

[Maxnomad]

Sanders is terrain. Voting is a tactic, if you play it as strategy you're shooting yourself, and me, in the foot

 

[Coywolf]

@Travelisinvigorating

I have given you a bit of his voting record, if you want the whole thing just google Bernie Sanders and go to the Wiki page about him

I get it, I know this wont be any sort of major transition for this country. It is a capitalist war driven economy, and not alot can fix that, minus some sort of global upset.

But damn, if given a choice between Trump, who is literally pushing fascism, Biden, who won't do a damn thing, and Sanders, who is actually pushing to change the big money influence in politics, I'm definitely voting for the latter.

Our 'democracy', or 'republic' is a joke. I know.

 

[Maxnomad]

@Coywolf, surprised you disagree. Are you pushing for voting and nothing but voting?

 

[Maxnomad]

Fish sauce? Wtf?

This is what i mean when i say voting for bernie is tactically sound. @Bey's story indicates why bernie cannot be part of a long term strategy for liberation, but his being beholden to an institution that takes the money it forces you to rely on in order to kill people youve never met and have no issue with ought to be reason enough. Bernie is terrain to most of us because we have never met him. He is literally a concept to us, with the exception of bey to the beat of my knowledge. Terrain. Strategy. Tactics. You fools need to read some sun tzu

https://theintercept.com/2019/11/07...o9PeiMrP7Z_AE-zdl1Mh1hAwbDyK7qN8b6kxAsehZN_wc

 

[Deleted member 20]

I too cannot comprehend the fish sauce reference? As to me personally applying The Art of war tactics these days (in any situation) is highly doubtful. I have ceased fighting anything or anyone.I will defer most revolutionary action to those, decades younger than I. I have found my own small ways to exist in our broken world that are independent of who is President. One can still hope for better outcomes within a flawed/corrupt system while choosing best available options. I do however still harbor hope for a better world for my 2 kids and dream that any world will be left to exist for their kids/grandkids. Just daily surviving with my sanity while being accountable/available to my family is often hard enough.

 

[Deleted member 24029]

Well...I guess I should probably weigh in, at this point, on what action to take respecting Sanders' candidacy. Taking the actually existing situation (viz., Bernie is running in a primary, at present), what you do, electorally, is determined by your analysis of the Democratic Party, i.e., if you feel you can ethically, principally vote within the Party, do so. However, if you object to that group, wait for your choice in the general election, proper; where, in all likelihood, Sanders will not appear on the ballot (as was the case in 2016).
And, since the "anecdote" under discussion occurred years ago, I found a photo from that time ( at Occupy); I'm on the left in the IWW shirt...

 

[Coywolf]

@Coywolf, surprised you disagree. Are you pushing for voting and nothing but voting?

Sorry, I think I may have misinterpreted your post

And no, I believe in a hell of a lot more activism than voting.

I've had my hands in some monkeywrenching and environmental 'civil disobedience'

But I think that if you have a chance to change the system, do it. No matter what that may be.

Many people believe that not voting is activism. It is not, in my opinion. All you are doing in that case is not voicing your opinion.

Protests are great, I do it all the time, so is activism. But if you dont vote, shit wont get done, *in this current system we are forced to live in*

Like I've said before, I'm not a full fledged anarchist, I love almost everything about the philosophy, just not the 'Fuck it, let it burn, and let the universe sort it out'. And no, I'm not saying all Anarchists believe that, but many kids I talk to that say 'Ya, I dont vote, because, fuck the system, right?'

That's just stupid. Do something. Whether its volunteering for FNB once a month, civil disobedience, voting, or walking ducking dogs at the shelter.

My point is DO SOMETHING.

That is one of the reasons I stick around StP. Wonderful fucking people doing their best to better the amazing world we live in, no matter how messed up human beings make it.

 

[Coywolf]

Well...I guess I should probably weigh in, at this point, on what action to take respecting Sanders' candidacy. Taking the actually existing situation (viz., Bernie is running in a primary, at present), what you do, electorally, is determined by your analysis of the Democratic Party, i.e., if you feel you can ethically, principally vote within the Party, do so. However, if you object to that group, wait for your choice in the general election, proper; where, in all likelihood, Sanders will not appear on the ballot (as was the case in 2016).
And, since the "anecdote" under discussion occurred years ago, I found a photo from that time ( at Occupy); I'm on the left in the IWW shirt... View attachment 53380

Love it. That is essentially what needs to be said here. Political opinions are your opinions. Dont allow others to push you around.

The ONE THING about today's political climate is the anger, divisiveness, and the 'YOUR WRONG' mentality. I wish people could still think critically and research other ideas if they finnd them appealing. Also, I wish people could criticize without demeaning others.

Something that I did to @Desperado Deluxe without even thinking about it, and Iwould like to apologize for that.

 

[Coywolf]

And just to wrap that all together, that is the reason I support Sanders. Someone who will stand up for decency.

He may not be the best person, but if you are going to fight for climate change, income inequality, LGBTQ/Womens rights, rights to healthcare, protecting the environment, and spending government money on bettering people lives, rather than war, I will support you.

And I also dont like the fact that I am not for Warren's campaign. I want someone who is a POC or woman, or both, over any old white Male in office. However, she was a hardcore pro free-market capitalist for a very long time, and I just dont trust someone with that sort of history to continue running this country.

 

[Muffin Mouth]

I am gonna vote for him and I broke my piggy bank and donated $3 to his campaign. I trust he has the good sense to choose a rad VP in case he dies while in office. I understand he has made some mistakes in the past, but who hasn't? It seems like he is sincere in his struggle to improve himself and the state of our society. I'll still be an anarchist if he wins and I think its silly when people think voting cancels out ones anarchist ideals. To the people who say "the system won't let him win", yeah you might be right, but cheers to him for wanting to go out fighting.

 

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[Coywolf]

Oh guess my references are too lame ..anytime someone says something is “fishy” , in this case I was eluding to Bernie’s stance on global warming being fishy to me, it draws suspicion there are agendas at hand that have nothing to do with healing the planet but doing harm to it by propelling an idea that doesn’t exist

Can you eloborate....?

 

[David1]

All I know is that we can not keeping tearing down forests to build 16 lane superhighways and burn fossil fuels to get us to shopping malls/Walmarts that uses acres of asphalt for parking on land that was green farmland or forests that used to recycle the CO2

 

[David1]

A well run 2-4 track railroad can have a as much capacity as 6 lane freeway and take up way less room. The reason why the US went with freeways is that we had the room vs Europe which has a lot more density.

 

[Dunia]

The system of stochocracy has been proposed as an improved system compared to the system of representative democracy, where representatives are elected. Stochocracy aims to at least reduce this degradation by having all representatives appointed by lottery instead of by voting. Therefore, this system is also called lottocracy. The system was proposed by the writer Roger de Sizif in 1998 in his book La Stochocratie. Choosing officeholders by lot was also the standard practice in ancient Athenian democracy.[23] The rationale behind this practice was to avoid lobbying and electioneering by economic oligarchs.

 

[David1]

The system of stochocracy has been proposed as an improved system compared to the system of representative democracy, where representatives are elected. Stochocracy aims to at least reduce this degradation by having all representatives appointed by lottery instead of by voting. Therefore, this system is also called lottocracy. The system was proposed by the writer Roger de Sizif in 1998 in his book La Stochocratie. Choosing officeholders by lot was also the standard practice in ancient Athenian democracy.[23] The rationale behind this practice was to avoid lobbying and electioneering by economic oligarchs.

So public office would be like serving on jury duty?

 

[Deleted member 26656]

Sorry

With respect, how on Earth did did I become the top poster of the month?

 

[Maxnomad]

Stochacracy jesus.christ

@ScarletMountain nearly everything youve said is, again, wrong. Distinguishing between right and wrong is of course incredibly difficult, because all knowledge rests on the unknowable, that which we cant prove merely by logical deduction and instead begins with, necessarily somatic, experience. This is why meditation as we understand it is an inherently physical practice, although its worth noting that "meditatsio" itself means to think, and that the majority of the buddhist traditions make only functional distinction between reading philosophy and focusing on sensation, points.in the body, the breath etc.

If youre inclined, try this. Sit in a stable, upright posture that can be comfortable enough for long periods of time, with your back straight, hands resting comfortably placing no strain on the shoulders, and head as if suspended by a string from the crown of the head. Focus on the sensation of alternating cool and warm in your nostrils as your breath comes and goes, or on your upper lip, or simply on the point between your eyebrows if you like. If your mind wants to wander, let it wander to physical sensations. Perhaps your back aches, or your butt is warm. If you can, soften these points of tension, in your back, brows, wherever. Continue as long as you can, but dont let yourself go nuts. Theres value in sitting w and experiencing frustration, but not w winding yourself up. This is one method of coming to know your 'self', which is necessary before you can reliably know anything else

 

[Coywolf]

@ScarletMountain

Some of the things you said above are true, some arent.

Mainly the part about the polar ice caps and polar bears. Glacier national park has posted photographic evidence of glaciers disappearing for the past 40 years.

I cant drive into this further into this now as I'm currently on a train. I'll get back to this.

 

[Coywolf]

@Phuen you do realize there is a "disagree" reaction, right?