Bernie Sanders

[Deleted member 26656]

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@Bey ya, I agree with you. We are all seeing how that was a terrible decision now.

However, he has since come out as one of the only people against the 'Isreal or bust' mentality in today's government.

I'm pretty sure members of Trumps cabinet have called him 'anti semetic' because of it....which is hilarious, being that he is jewish

Nah he still cow toes to Israel. At first he didn't though. Not so now.

 

[Deleted member 26656]

Sanders also applauded the socialist takeover of the Venezuelan government. believed the u.s. should do the same. Once the wealthiest country in South America Now they have mass starvation and exodus as a consequence of the socialist policies enacted by Chavez and then Madura. Policies designed to end the income gap. Widespread nationalization of private industry, currency and price control and huge expansion of welfare. Sound familiar? It didn’t work out for them, think it will be different here? Oh and the government started locking up anyone who spoke out against it, took them about 5 or 6 years before they started, but they got good at it fast.

Oh man this makes me so sick to see you spewing this empty rhetoric. the fact of the matter is that they are going through starvation in Mass Exodus because of sanctions which have been imposed upon him by the United States. You do realize that the gas company citgo is a state-owned Venezuelan company, right? And you do realize that there are literally billions of dollars sitting in banks that should be redirected to Venezuela right? This is the sole sole reason why Venezuela is suffering so much right now. but all of your buddies at Fox news there are not going to tell you that.

 

[Coywolf]

Dude, the reason Venezula is fucked right now does have to do with us owing the government money. But mainly has to do with th leader, that we helped put in office, bankrupted the country through not knowing shit about how economics works. Seriously.

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Nah he still cow toes to Israel. At first he didn't though. Not so now.

You have that backwards. Sanders just introduced a bill that would withhold any further funding to Isreal unless they stopped supporting wars in the reason, and discontinued their annexation of the west bank.

 

[Deleted member 26656]

Dude, the reason Venezula is fucked right now does have to do with us owing the government money. But mainly has to do with th leader, that we helped put in office, bankrupted the country through not knowing shit about how economics works. Seriously.



You have that backwards. Sanders just introduced a bill that would withhold any further funding to Isreal unless they stopped supporting wars in the reason, and discontinued their annexation of the west bank.

Oh pardon, I misread that, thought you were talking about Trump, this comment is supposed to be above btw... having trouble here

 

[Coywolf]

i wonder if this thread will be an actual discussion or just devolve quickly into a bunch of emotional fingerpointing....

Looks like a pretty good discussion so far. Have to wade through the misinformation.

 

[Deleted member 26656]

Coywolf 2020!

 

[Deleted member 26656]

Not a fan personally. I don't believe I should have to pay more taxes for rich white kids to go to school and run up a planned parenthood bill. As for "taking big money out of politics" all his funding comes from big money in an attempt to sway politics. I don't believe in socialism period. Its basically modern fuedalism. Reserving more for the already rich and handing chump change to disenfranchised minorities with no real hope or opportunity to acquire wealth to transcend their situation. Socialism is totally bogus and the opposite of anarchism because it gives the government too much control. Just another politician nothing more nothing less.

You are a complete idiot and have absolutely no clue what you are talking about.

 

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Bernie is my guy! He was in 2016 when I voted for him in the primary & then opted for Jill Stein in the main election after Bernie had terminated his election. *My goal was to try to help the Green party get enough votes to qualify for the fund matching program from the FEC. I am still team Bernie and all though most of us on STP may identify further left of his politics; he will be a respite for our democracy. I have donated meager donations to both 2016/2020 campaigns and pray that the field continues to shrink and or Biden implodes to help consolidate his position while convincing more traditional democrats that we desperately need radical/revolutionary change. Trump is still very dangerous but then again so is status quo of Biden and all Republicans. Drastic change is needed. We need a green new deal. The doomsday clock ticks...

 

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Oh my God this dude has absolutely no clue what he is talking about.
hey homie Venezuela's problems are actually due to the United States sanctions we're literally billions of dollars are sitting in a bank that should be going to Venezuela from all the oil that they sold in the United States.

Depending on oil revenue is a bad plan.

 

[roughdraft]

You are a complete idiot and have absolutely no clue what you are talking about.

not that you asked me but it's a much bigger impact if you can insult people more constructively!

 

[Coywolf]

You are a complete idiot and have absolutely no clue what you are talking about.

Ok, we get the point. Let's try to keep this conversation civil.

 

[Coywolf]

As much as I approve of Bernie's positions, how realistically do y'all figure his chances are of winning a) the Democratic primary election & b) the general election next November?

This is major argument from most moderate Democrats.

The issue here is that change will only happen if you make it happen., And Sanders has an incredible grass roots campaign going on right now. #1 in the polls for both young (<30) and minority voters at the moment. So ya, the issue here is whether the DNC fucks UA again and gives us Biden. Which they are still trying to do despite national polls which show him losing support daily.

Those bullshit polls on MSNBC, CNN, and FAUX are doctored, or they are polling upper class white people over the age of 50.

In a general election against trump? Ya Bernie would crush. Yet again, almost every single independent poll says this, including the ones from FAUX.

 

[Deleted member 26656]

Ok, we get the point. Let's try to keep this conversation civil.

Sorry

 

[BradKajukenbo]

From a Republican stand point, I would like to see Sanders win the Democrat nomination. If anyone has a chance at beating Trump, Sanders would do it.

 

[David1]

Somebody here please run for president or some public office, I would run but I have slept with one too many strippers and dont have the cash or lawyer to pay them off to keep quiet.

 

[deathrehearsal]

Sanders also applauded the socialist takeover of the Venezuelan government. believed the u.s. should do the same. Once the wealthiest country in South America Now they have mass starvation and exodus as a consequence of the socialist policies enacted by Chavez and then Madura. Policies designed to end the income gap. Widespread nationalization of private industry, currency and price control and huge expansion of welfare. Sound familiar? It didn’t work out for them, think it will be different here? Oh and the government started locking up anyone who spoke out against it, took them about 5 or 6 years before they started, but they got good at it fast.

I’ve heard this take regurgitated so many times and the more I hear it the less sense it makes.

In addition to wide spread corruption, Venezuela’s natural resources have been picked apart by capitalists for decades, local worker force abused and paid a pittance and when the feeding frenzy ended they pulled out and left them in their current state which has little to do with socialism.

If you want an example of the type of social democracy the US could and would become, take a look at Finland.
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Anyway, Bernie Sanders has some solid ideas. As far as I know he is the only candidate with a comprehensive global environmental plan. His healthcare plan is on point, pro union, Etc. He’s one of only two left wing candidate whose policy as a whole is left leaning imo, the rest of the field are centrists running as dems.

Andrew Yang has some unique ideas also the most popular being a $1000 per month allowance for every person age 18-65, in response to job automation. The idea is that within the next fifteen years a massive amount of jobs will disappear to advancing technology and the people who benefit from that financially will be taxed to fund the allowance. He discusses it in depth here;

 

[Coywolf]

I hear so many people talking about Yang. I should check out his proposals. Unfortunately, I dont think he will have enough support to come out on top in this race, but would be an excellent choice for a cabinet pick for whoever does.

 

[Desperado Deluxe]

...ok. I'm really going to have to ask where you are getting your information from.

Sanders in the ONLY democratic candidate that has refused corporate funding...and that fact is easily searchable, as you can google it in any aspect.

Also, I would like to say that your definition of socialism may be a bit skewed towards communism...which it is not.

Further more, being a democratic socialist is far different from being a total socialist. A total socialist government is borderline authoritarianism, and I would agre with you in that fact.

Sanders has proposed policies that redirect tax income that would benefit the working class, rather than spend billions on wars in foreign countries for our 'interest', and would expand social programs instead of locking up minorities and migrants in cages.



I'm not even sure what to say about this...it basically says that you dont believe these groups of people deserve a fair shake in society....which is borderline fascism...



Pretty sure we went over this in this thread:
Anarchy is actually far right | Squat the Planet - https://squattheplanet.com/threads/anarchy-is-actually-far-right.32988/



Lastly, if you are going to state that the opinions this person has are borderline the same with Trump, McConnel, Hillary Clinton, Pelosi, or Schumer....you are either a lobbyist, or have obviously not been paying attention.

That first whole part is a bunch of fucking gibberish based on uncertain relativities.
Fuck you for cutting my sentance short and misconstruing its meaning that's some typical MSNBC shit.
As for "lobbyist" don't you work for a tax funded bueracracy? I'm a squatter/construction worker you do the math pal.
I'm pretty sure I just want to live my fucking life and work without some publicly funded stoog fucking me around.
Its really that simple.

 

[roughdraft]

It's all so tiresome

Sanders has a better *idea* of what to do and how to work it out.

On one hand it's 'probably' the same old song n dance, on the other "well you gotta vote him in to find out!". The entire system is so rotten.

Look at what they did to Ralph Nader, and don't tell me "oh well that was 20 years ago" that's nothing.

I'd like to read more from @Bey on this topic, but that is up to them. All I know is that it doesn't surprise me what they have to say - that Sanders approved some fucked up shit that got fucked up,

So here's my question - Will there EVER be a presidential candidate who can meaningfully alter the entire system? Or even a significant portion of it? I've gotta think no, the system is the problem and hoping-hoping-hoping for the right president is just chasing the dragon.

Who said "Get people asking the wrong questions and you don't have to worry about what answers they may find"

 

[Deleted member 24029]

It's all so tiresome

Sanders has a better *idea* of what to do and how to work it out.

On one hand it's 'probably' the same old song n dance, on the other "well you gotta vote him in to find out!". The entire system is so rotten.

Look at what they did to Ralph Nader, and don't tell me "oh well that was 20 years ago" that's nothing.

I'd like to read more from @Bey on this topic, but that is up to them. All I know is that it doesn't surprise me what they have to say - that Sanders approved some fucked up shit that got fucked up,

So here's my question - Will there EVER be a presidential candidate who can meaningfully alter the entire system? Or even a significant portion of it? I've gotta think no, the system is the problem and hoping-hoping-hoping for the right president is just chasing the dragon.

Who said "Get people asking the wrong questions and you don't have to worry about what answers they may find"

OK...by request, then, here's the story: I was doing antiwar activism in 2009, in Burlington, VT (where Sanders' office is). I was writing about my opposition to the US' financial support for Israel's military (and Bernie's votes in favor of Israeli warfare), when the local police showed up at the apartment. They informed me that I was under Federal investigation, at the request of Sanders, by the U.S. Capitol Police (who has jurisdiction over threats to the lives of Congressmen). The Feds had asked the municipal cops to do the actual investigating after they determined that, upon review of my writing and actions, there did not appear to be any crime with which I could be charged. They informed Sanders of this, and then sent the local police, when he insisted that I continue to be investigated as a "threat to national security". Slightly doubting this story, I checked with Bernie 's staff, and the Capitol police, and verified it. Bernie believed I was a dangerous anarchist who should be jailed for criticizing his pro-war voting. Apparently, he does not take disagreement well. Subsequent to this, I've been told be people with whom he founded the old Liberty Union Party, that he always had this trait....