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BTW... Since I havent offended anybody lately, Ill have another go at it. LOL
J/K Anyways, so the other day we were talking, and Anarchy came up.... And someone mentioned Mexico... Here was their arguement...
Mexico is practically anarchy already. Mexicos government is less effective lets say than in the US... You can get away with just about anything in mexico. Steroids are legal. Pills and drugs which are considered "controlled substances" in the US can easily be bought at any pharmacy in mexico without a prescription. Gangs and drug cartels run a muck on society virtually unchecked... In fact, so much so that groups of people in smaller communities are banning together to form little mlitias to fight back and basically just protect themselves from the cartels because their government is in-effective in stopping the cartels, or protecting its citizens from them... So people are taking matters into their own hands and arming themselves with high powered rifles patrolling the streets. In other words, the in-effectiveness of Mexico's policia means that the citizens make up the difference by self reliance and commmunities regulating themselves... But self regulation, and self governed society is basically the concept of anarchy right? What would the real result be? Chaos? Corruption? Drug cartels? Tons of smaller groups forming to try and keep order? Doesnt that sound similar to gangs? If your looking for Anarchy, Mexico is practically right next door.
Now, I grew up in the United states, and Ive never spent much time in Mexico... But Ive watched enough youtube documentaries about issues in Mexico, to know that theres atleast a little truth in that... Im not saying that Mexico is a country with no government, or that they're an anarchist society... But He kind of had a point...
So how similar do you think Mexico is to anarchy, and why?
For people who claim to be anarchist, what country would you rather live in if you could, based on your beliefs...
Personally, think theres a little bit of anarchy in every country, somtimes for the better but usually for the worst. I also think that Anarchy isn't a dominant society structure anywhere in the world because government is very necessarry. Look at the middle east where their government is practically useless and terrorist run around taking over villages and strong arming their way into authority.... Anarchy doesnt work on a large scale, because even if people are willing to cooperate, theres always people who arent... And without armies, police, and judges to keep order, anybody can come in and challenge you. The next hitler will come in and infiltrate the group, gaining followers, slowly gaining control over people and soon enough, overthrow the current policy. In an anarchist society, What structure is in place to defend against such manipulations? Is everybody going to call together a community meeting to discuss the matter? Is a defense team going to be under vollunteer only circumstnces? If not, who will fund it? They would quickly be overpowered, and over thrown... There's a need for authority. There's a need for control... Without it, its a free for all. Every man for himself. Without it, the person in control would simply be the cartel with the most members and the most guns, and everybody else would have no choice but to obey or get killed... People are always putting down the government, but anybody with common sense is thankful to have one. One of the best in the world actually...
Do you really think in an anarchist society, you could get working class people to fund social aid or handouts like food stamps. Hell no! Nobody wants to help someone else. If I can get up and go to work everyday, so can you! Right, thats what most of them will be saying... who's gonna force cooperation?
Anarchy is great if your running a homeless shelter or a small retreat. Anywhere that a small group of like minded individuals are simply trying to co-exist in the same habitat or work together for a common goal... They can make group decisions together, about things that mutually effect them all... And together, they can remove, or kick out the people who dont participate within their small community... But on a large scale, people rely on the government to do the dirty work. Anarchy just wouldnt be effective in creating much more than chaos on a large scale. I think in an Anarchy society, murder and crime would skyrocket and become unmaneagable.
BTW... Since I havent offended anybody lately, Ill have another go at it. LOL
J/K Anyways, so the other day we were talking, and Anarchy came up.... And someone mentioned Mexico... Here was their arguement...
Mexico is practically anarchy already. Mexicos government is less effective lets say than in the US... You can get away with just about anything in mexico. Steroids are legal. Pills and drugs which are considered "controlled substances" in the US can easily be bought at any pharmacy in mexico without a prescription. Gangs and drug cartels run a muck on society virtually unchecked... In fact, so much so that groups of people in smaller communities are banning together to form little mlitias to fight back and basically just protect themselves from the cartels because their government is in-effective in stopping the cartels, or protecting its citizens from them... So people are taking matters into their own hands and arming themselves with high powered rifles patrolling the streets. In other words, the in-effectiveness of Mexico's policia means that the citizens make up the difference by self reliance and commmunities regulating themselves... But self regulation, and self governed society is basically the concept of anarchy right? What would the real result be? Chaos? Corruption? Drug cartels? Tons of smaller groups forming to try and keep order? Doesnt that sound similar to gangs? If your looking for Anarchy, Mexico is practically right next door.
Now, I grew up in the United states, and Ive never spent much time in Mexico... But Ive watched enough youtube documentaries about issues in Mexico, to know that theres atleast a little truth in that... Im not saying that Mexico is a country with no government, or that they're an anarchist society... But He kind of had a point...
So how similar do you think Mexico is to anarchy, and why?
For people who claim to be anarchist, what country would you rather live in if you could, based on your beliefs...
Personally, think theres a little bit of anarchy in every country, somtimes for the better but usually for the worst. I also think that Anarchy isn't a dominant society structure anywhere in the world because government is very necessarry. Look at the middle east where their government is practically useless and terrorist run around taking over villages and strong arming their way into authority.... Anarchy doesnt work on a large scale, because even if people are willing to cooperate, theres always people who arent... And without armies, police, and judges to keep order, anybody can come in and challenge you. The next hitler will come in and infiltrate the group, gaining followers, slowly gaining control over people and soon enough, overthrow the current policy. In an anarchist society, What structure is in place to defend against such manipulations? Is everybody going to call together a community meeting to discuss the matter? Is a defense team going to be under vollunteer only circumstnces? If not, who will fund it? They would quickly be overpowered, and over thrown... There's a need for authority. There's a need for control... Without it, its a free for all. Every man for himself. Without it, the person in control would simply be the cartel with the most members and the most guns, and everybody else would have no choice but to obey or get killed... People are always putting down the government, but anybody with common sense is thankful to have one. One of the best in the world actually...
Do you really think in an anarchist society, you could get working class people to fund social aid or handouts like food stamps. Hell no! Nobody wants to help someone else. If I can get up and go to work everyday, so can you! Right, thats what most of them will be saying... who's gonna force cooperation?
Anarchy is great if your running a homeless shelter or a small retreat. Anywhere that a small group of like minded individuals are simply trying to co-exist in the same habitat or work together for a common goal... They can make group decisions together, about things that mutually effect them all... And together, they can remove, or kick out the people who dont participate within their small community... But on a large scale, people rely on the government to do the dirty work. Anarchy just wouldnt be effective in creating much more than chaos on a large scale. I think in an Anarchy society, murder and crime would skyrocket and become unmaneagable.