Its time for the END of capitalism! No poor, no rich, just sharing resources...

[creature]

& i admit, the reason the meek will inherit the earth
is because the violent will kill each other off...

& *maybe* that is the point of human evolution, if it has anything at all to do with us actually *meaning* anything to begin with..

 

[drewski]

I call the idea of a peaceful revolution ridiculous because it has already failed. The hippies failed. Setting up a police blockade during a protest locking arms and holding up peace signs accomplishes nothing. Getting the shit beat out of you and pepper sprayed, and then proceeding to "make peace" with an officer and "forgiving" him/her because "we're all brothers and sisters" is completely idiotic.

Feeding, clothing, housing each other and treating each other with respect is the mission, but there always comes a time when violence/self defense has its place. That's all I'm saying. I'm not angry every day when I wake up, nor have I "given up" on anything. I just firmly disagree with the notion of a peaceful revolution.

 

[Preacher]

I just firmly disagree with the notion of a peaceful revolution.

In this country, I agree. Because the status quo will not be changed by peaceful means. See my first post. Look at Occupy. They were tolerated until the cameras turned off (not like there were many to begin with) and they got lock-stepped out Zuccotti. The park went on lock-down. A public space became a para-military zone. They were squashed. I remember picking up my son a couple of days after the park was shut down. I was circling the park trying to find him. The amount of cops and the look on their faces. They were giving me the stink eye like they were daring me to even pull over. I guarantee you If I had stopped AT the park I would have ended up in jail for 24 hours. That is their reaction to a 'peaceful protest'.

 

[drewski]

In this country, I agree. Because the status quo will not be changed by peaceful means. See my first post. Look at Occupy. They were tolerated until the cameras turned off (not like there were many to begin with) and they got lock-stepped out Zuccotti. The park went on lock-down. A public space became a para-military zone. They were squashed. I remember picking up my son a couple of days after the park was shut down. I was circling the park trying to find him. The amount of cops and the look on their faces. They were giving me the stink eye like they were daring me to even pull over. I guarantee you If I had stopped AT the park I would have ended up in jail for 24 hours. That is their reaction to a 'peaceful protest'.

Exactly. And they're always dressed in full SWAT team riot armor which I find hilarious. Don't worry officers, the people here aren't that pissed off yet. But Egypt...Those are some pissed off people. The cops there are definitely busting out the Bauer pads ::joyful::

 

[drewski]

Just found this LOL

 

[Preacher]

@drewski I didn't used to fully understand the Black Bloc until that night. Till I almost felt like I was in downtown Berlin during WW2 than in modern day New York. Then it really hit me. And the more I watched other Occupy protests and saw 2 or 3 dozen cops back down 500 people on the bridges the more I saw where they were coming from. You gotta break some eggs to make an omelet.

 

[creature]

think of how much worse it would be if we hadn't...
what if we had let fucking joe mcarthy just do his thing in the 50's?

there is a whole fucking cultural war going on, & people who *do* shit, actually *do* make a fucking difference..

& you *are*, apparently, to angry to read a post in its clear & original context..

you said "I disagree, but if you'd like to elaborate I'll hear you out."

i never mentioned anything about forgiving corn-fed bullies..

i mentioned an *economic* method.
huge difference.

BTW.. the hippies *didn't* fail.. like it or not, they were the first mainstream counter-culture, & every single fucking crusty owes their existence to them.

the were humans & mortal. i'll grow old & die (or at least die), & so will you & every other human.

think about it..
if the counter culture of the 60's hadn't prevailed in a significant fashion, where the fuck would we *really* be?

no, they didn't bring jesus back.

no, ghandi didn't stop war.

yes, the racist shits that succeed in brainwashing their children into racists still create racism..

no, you can't make miracles by loving people, even if your love is fucking infinite.

no, there is no walking on water, there is no angelic intervention, there is no efficacy of prayer & there is no way to make people good, just because you are good to them (*especially* if they are just fucks to begin with...)

i will give you all of that.

& i don't think i mentioned a fucking thing that indicated i did.

if you **read** my post, instead of just disagreeing because i used the word "peacefully" relating to "change the world" and the only context i used the word "revolutionary" in was regarding a possible application of transportation technology.

you said "Feeding, clothing, housing each other and treating each other with respect is the mission"..

well... guess what?
we are not going to.

not until all the fucking bad people are dead.

when they are dead, & only good people are left, then our little fantasy hope may come true.

in the mean time, the way to accomplish *anything* is by appropriate economics.

the first rule of appropriate economics is "to be fair".

you can damn well bet that that won't happen, so what you have to do, if you (as an individual or a small group) want to make a *change* is go big..

go *huge*..

if you go huge enough, ***AND*** if you are successfull, then things *do* change, even if only for the short term..

no miracles, no evolutionary genetic shift..
just people having the opportunity to teach their children to be fair..

 

[drewski]

think of how much worse it would be if we hadn't...
what if we had let fucking joe mcarthy just do his thing in the 50's?

there is a whole fucking cultural war going on, & people who *do* shit, actually *do* make a fucking difference..

& you *are*, apparently, to angry to read a post in its clear & original context..

you said "I disagree, but if you'd like to elaborate I'll hear you out."

i never mentioned anything about forgiving corn-fed bullies..

i mentioned an *economic* method.
huge difference.

BTW.. the hippies *didn't* fail.. like it or not, they were the first mainstream counter-culture, & every single fucking crusty owes their existence to them.

the were humans & mortal. i'll grow old & die (or at least die), & so will you & every other human.

think about it..
if the counter culture of the 60's hadn't prevailed in a significant fashion, where the fuck would we *really* be?

no, they didn't bring jesus back.

no, ghandi didn't stop war.

yes, the racist shits that succeed in brainwashing their children into racists still create racism..

no, you can't make miracles by loving people, even if your love is fucking infinite.

no, there is no walking on water, there is no angelic intervention, there is no efficacy of prayer & there is no way to make people good, just because you are good to them (*especially* if they are just fucks to begin with...)

i will give you all of that.

& i don't think i mentioned a fucking thing that indicated i did.

if you **read** my post, instead of just disagreeing because i used the word "peacefully" relating to "change the world" and the only context i used the word "revolutionary" in was regarding a possible application of transportation technology.

you said "Feeding, clothing, housing each other and treating each other with respect is the mission"..

well... guess what?
we are not going to.

not until all the fucking bad people are dead.

when they are dead, & only good people are left, then our little fantasy hope may come true.

in the mean time, the way to accomplish *anything* is by appropriate economics.

the first rule of appropriate economics is "to be fair".

you can damn well bet that that won't happen, so what you have to do, if you (as an individual or a small group) want to make a *change* is go big..

go *huge*..

if you go huge enough, ***AND*** if you are successfull, then things *do* change, even if only for the short term..

no miracles, no evolutionary genetic shift..
just people having the opportunity to teach their children to be fair..

I think we're on the same page here for the most part. I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth, nor was I trying to make you angry which it seems like you are. And as painful as it was to read your unnecessarily elongated posts consisting of bad paragraph structure, I still did. You shared your opinion, and I shared mine.

 

[creature]

my elongated posts & bad paragraph structure are what are nominally referred to as "prose", since we aren't academicians..