Earth & Animal Liberation Fronts

[GCM]

Just wondering if anyone's heard anything about these groups lately (post-2007?)? I know alot of their members are now either in prison or are fugitives, but I'm curious to know if there are any recent related activities similar to those done by the ELF and ALF, or maybe something different and not entirely militant? Either way, I like hearing both stories of things, so what do you think/ know/ feel about either of these two organizations?

 

[Gudj]

The North American Animal Liberation Press Office

But there are alot of blogs/papers where you can read recent communiques from those two "groups" in particular. And many more sites where you can read about direct action by people not under alf/elf moniker. Just try at least one google search before you ask stuff like that.

 

[christianarchy]

Personally, I don't think this is the right place to have this conversation, and asking about recent alf/elf activities online isn't a great idea.

 

[Gudj]

The thing is that people research illegal activities all the time. Imagine how many times Charles Manson is put into google everyday. There is nothing sketchy about being interested in illegal stuff, whether it be a serial killer fetish or extremist groups.
If you were going to talk about emulating a serial killer or extremist groups actions online, then you are seriously fucking up.

 

[MrD]

what do you think/ know/ feel about either of these two organizations?

d.c.s.c.!

 

[derailed]

both the alf and elf are designated domestic terrorist organizations, don't for a minute think that feds don't monitor sites like this for information. There's nothing sketchy about being interested in criminal activities, but only up to a certain point. People have been arrested for "casually" browsing extremist websites, and/or possessing extremist literature. So for these groups sake as well as your own be careful what you say, don't ever underestimate the lengths that the government will go to maintain it's dominance.

 

[plagueship]

the primitivist fad has been entirely absorbed into the cascadian metal fad and whatever publishing venture derrick jensen is involved in

 

[katbastard]

the two "groups" never really existed. they where a set of beliefs or guidelines that if you followed you could fly the elf/alf flag. do some research, or better yet support some anarchist prisoners who have gone down for these beliefs instead of reading stories. just my 2 cents

 

[pigpen]

this really isn't the place. i met someone locked up for telling a DT what neighborhood to score blow in, directing a sale they called it. while i realize your only asking for info, the AETA is a book that i do not want thrown at me. i get scared/angry just looking at those four letters in acronymic form.

 

[Earth]

I've actually been staring at this blank "reply to thread" block for a solid hour trying to figure out how the mention of either of these groups (HERE of all places) could be viewed as such a bad thing, considering all the other stuff that's openly discussed - like the Rainbow Gathering, which is definately today viewed as domestic terrorism...

I guess that's my comment.

 

[Earth]

While 9/11 changed everything for anyone who thinks for themselves, this does not mean we should limit our free speach. As long as what is being discussed harms no one / nothing, there's (I feel) nothing wrong with open honest discussion on any topic, including the ecology (be it river clean-ups, animal / human rights, etc..) since our planet is our home too...

 

[plagueship]

naturally these groups existed, despite typical anarchist propaganda of the "we are everywhere/everyone" variety and the fact that they did inspire a few imitators, there were distinct groups of people who carried out these actions in the 90s and early 00s, and most of them are in jail now. their "strategy" - to the extent that these weren't acts of principle carried out as ends in themselves - was the idea that they'd inspire a mass movement (which obviously failed to materializ), since there is no way a few scattered handfuls of people carried out sporadic arsons could oppose the massive forces of progress and make the kinds of vast changes they were talking about.

ironically, there is an ecological mass movement brewing, and it is the mobilization of disaster capitalism or even green socialism - the coming ecological police state. there was a great piece i read years ago contrasting the green capitalist narrative with radical environmentalism: "you, individual, can buy fluorescent lightbulbs, compost your kitchen scraps, recycle your cans etc" vs "you, individual, can ride bikes, eat trash, and even punish those who are ecologically 'bad'".... it still adds up to the same sorry state of affairs...

 

[Gudj]

naturally these groups existed, despite typical anarchist propaganda of the "we are everywhere/everyone" variety and the fact that they did inspire a few imitators, there were distinct groups of people who carried out these actions in the 90s and early 00s, and most of them are in jail now.

Way to post some good old fashioned mis-information.

 

[christianarchy]

Last edited by Gudj; May 24th, 2011 at 02:33 PM. Reason: not snarky enough

Hahah

 

[Earth]

Here's some food for thought:

 

[viking]

I disagree with this ideology. I might get flamed for this, but I think we need to worry about realissues (like class) before we start with animals or environment. They aren't as important.

 

[christianarchy]

I disagree with this ideology. I might get flamed for this, but I think we need to worry about realissues (like class) before we start with animals or environment. They aren't as important.

These things are all tied together into a horrible megamonster called civilization. No struggle supercedes another. They are all intertwined.

 

[katbastard]

These things are all tied together into a horrible megamonster called civilization. No struggle supercedes another. They are all intertwined.

100% on the ball

 

[plagueship]

i don't really want to get into a debate, especially where reality-checking is dismissed a priori as "misinformation", but how does pointing out that things are connected imply that they all have the same level of significance?

 

[xbocax]

if one fails the other 2 fail, well actually...i think if humans failed the other 2 would be dandy