Definition of "hippy"
I think the representation of what a hippie is changes from place to place, and through time. However, a "hippie" is a term which describes very specifically anyone from the flower child movement of the 1960's. Nowadays, there are people who call themselves hippies, and the reason why the definition is tough to express is because technically, hippies don't exist anymore unless they're about 60 years old.
Therefore, hippies can smoke a lot of pot and play a lot of videogames, or talk for hours about Utopia and then never make it happen, or create art, or trip for hours and come up with wonderful theories which usually never leave that room.
All in all, I feel like hippies are glorious, kind, friendly people who either let the current state of affairs overwhelm them into silence and stagnation, or do too many drugs which makes them lethargic. The worst kind of hippie is the rich kid hippie. Because he/she has no reason to change anything, but talks a lot of shit.
For the record, I think I like the ClitCommander's story about the hippie in cheyenne. Even though I'm trying to wrap my head around his username.
Post edited by: Grace, at: 2007/09/12 04:15
I think the representation of what a hippie is changes from place to place, and through time. However, a "hippie" is a term which describes very specifically anyone from the flower child movement of the 1960's. Nowadays, there are people who call themselves hippies, and the reason why the definition is tough to express is because technically, hippies don't exist anymore unless they're about 60 years old.
Therefore, hippies can smoke a lot of pot and play a lot of videogames, or talk for hours about Utopia and then never make it happen, or create art, or trip for hours and come up with wonderful theories which usually never leave that room.
All in all, I feel like hippies are glorious, kind, friendly people who either let the current state of affairs overwhelm them into silence and stagnation, or do too many drugs which makes them lethargic. The worst kind of hippie is the rich kid hippie. Because he/she has no reason to change anything, but talks a lot of shit.
For the record, I think I like the ClitCommander's story about the hippie in cheyenne. Even though I'm trying to wrap my head around his username.
Post edited by: Grace, at: 2007/09/12 04:15
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Rich kid punks may as well be rich kid hippies, since they don't have any incentive to change the status quo, and much of the time, they spend more time pretending to not have money than doing anything useful. I know two kids who will have access to their multi-million dollar trust funds in a few years if not already.
Rich kid punks may as well be rich kid hippies, since they don't have any incentive to change the status quo, and much of the time, they spend more time pretending to not have money than doing anything useful. I know two kids who will have access to their multi-million dollar trust funds in a few years if not already.
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I feel like in general, we are all of the mindset that things have to change if they're going to improve, but most of us are just waiting around for someone else to do it. And what really inspires people is personal gain, so those successful at creating change rarely change anything for the better.
That's why a Republican is in office. I wish we weren't so overwhelmed with the state of things, but it's difficult sometimes to muster up enough strength to rise out of bed much less rise to a challenge. But there's always hope.
I feel like in general, we are all of the mindset that things have to change if they're going to improve, but most of us are just waiting around for someone else to do it. And what really inspires people is personal gain, so those successful at creating change rarely change anything for the better.
That's why a Republican is in office. I wish we weren't so overwhelmed with the state of things, but it's difficult sometimes to muster up enough strength to rise out of bed much less rise to a challenge. But there's always hope.
its the same subset of individuals, but swayed by a different ideology depending on the time period. these are people who make a point of being more or less independent from society. when less motivated by an external agenda, people are naturally led towards internal contemplation... the meaning of the individual. like, concepts such as peace and love, psychology and eastern religion were some the things that came to mind in the 60s/70s. really, they were led there by the beatniks of the 40s/50s and the hobos of the 20s/30s. in the 70s/80s mostly was a reaction against the perceived failures of the 60s. the idea was like, hey, this is all just theory, no action. therefore the punx of the 70s/80s were action obsessed, but with all this action was less direction. in the 90s there was a sense of futility, but with this came perspective. its always an idea, and then an evaluation of an idea... and the results of this evaluation always motivates new people to go out in search of something new. maybe some people find it, but all that comes down to us through pop culture is where to look.
emc summed it up really well.
i would add that these terms don´t have any fixed meaning, they´re variably used by members of subcultures to refer to themselves, at times are epithets, can refer to fashion or lifestyle or beliefs...
to most people they evoke mainly a certain set of aesthetics, and what comes to most peoples´mind as "hippie" are aesthetics commercialized by mary quant shortly after, if not concurrently of the hippie movement becoming widespread, and the same exact thing happened in punk with malcolm mclaren and vivienne westwood
in both cases, the name was first used in contexts that i don´t think apply anymore, sure you can appreciate "hippie" values and practices or "punk" music and fashion, but the levels of identification to these terms more than 30 years after they came into use for tv culture to present youth culture in an understandable way to the masses, is ridiculous.
at the essence of hippie is - or was orignally - a focus on communal ways of living, sharing, being more than the ego, and being inspired by forms of life, art and resistence everywhere.
meanwhile punk was always supposed to be about rejecting dominant aesthetics and rigid ways of thinking and living, courage to be completely individual in your personal life and public interactions, and expressing discontent (that hippies from the previous generation had, but also still had optimism) with the state of the world with no restraints
both original subcultures also practiced innovative forms of political resistance, but it seems that people who identify themselves with those subcultures today aren´t very concerned with continuing the innovation, punk and hippie apparently both come with a solidified set of activities, and meanwhile activists who are more interested in innovating techniques for direct action or community work aren´t allying themselves with any cultural movement
most of the time when you i meet someone who is quick to talk about how "punk" or "hippie" they are, they´re sheltering in a prepackaged revolt that soothes their discontent with their own life, makes them feel good for being part of a group, whatever, but has little to do with addressing the things that both of these movements set out to address
sorry for writing an essay and i am aware that because i have patches on my clothes in my profile picture, it would be handy to label me a punk at first glance, i could care less what i get called but i think it´s sad or at least boring when people identify themselves as an example of a certain preconceived kind of human
i would add that these terms don´t have any fixed meaning, they´re variably used by members of subcultures to refer to themselves, at times are epithets, can refer to fashion or lifestyle or beliefs...
to most people they evoke mainly a certain set of aesthetics, and what comes to most peoples´mind as "hippie" are aesthetics commercialized by mary quant shortly after, if not concurrently of the hippie movement becoming widespread, and the same exact thing happened in punk with malcolm mclaren and vivienne westwood
in both cases, the name was first used in contexts that i don´t think apply anymore, sure you can appreciate "hippie" values and practices or "punk" music and fashion, but the levels of identification to these terms more than 30 years after they came into use for tv culture to present youth culture in an understandable way to the masses, is ridiculous.
at the essence of hippie is - or was orignally - a focus on communal ways of living, sharing, being more than the ego, and being inspired by forms of life, art and resistence everywhere.
meanwhile punk was always supposed to be about rejecting dominant aesthetics and rigid ways of thinking and living, courage to be completely individual in your personal life and public interactions, and expressing discontent (that hippies from the previous generation had, but also still had optimism) with the state of the world with no restraints
both original subcultures also practiced innovative forms of political resistance, but it seems that people who identify themselves with those subcultures today aren´t very concerned with continuing the innovation, punk and hippie apparently both come with a solidified set of activities, and meanwhile activists who are more interested in innovating techniques for direct action or community work aren´t allying themselves with any cultural movement
most of the time when you i meet someone who is quick to talk about how "punk" or "hippie" they are, they´re sheltering in a prepackaged revolt that soothes their discontent with their own life, makes them feel good for being part of a group, whatever, but has little to do with addressing the things that both of these movements set out to address
sorry for writing an essay and i am aware that because i have patches on my clothes in my profile picture, it would be handy to label me a punk at first glance, i could care less what i get called but i think it´s sad or at least boring when people identify themselves as an example of a certain preconceived kind of human
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This thread is pretty funny . . . I think its all pretty much the same, except punks have more attitude and hippies have less ego. And of course the music. Cuase quite often the style of dress is quite blurred and so is the political thing. Peace and Anarchy = : )
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that's fukkn awesome, I love it!. I have met both "hippies" and "crusties" that I didn't like at all, and versa vice soo, I think it really just matters who the fukk the person is and how they act.the definiition of a hippy is a fucking hypocrite that is also envoled in a hypocritical sub culture..hence the word, hippy
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yeah you are totally fuckin right!!!! I've met very agro hippies and very chilled out punx. there isnt much difference really!
well most crusty kids annoy me and 99% of hippies annoy me. but i guess the biggest difference to me is the music. hippies listen to shitty music and crustys listen to sub par music SOMETIMES. also hippies are pacisifists which is the least logical form of changing anything. i dont know i hate them both, i think i just hate hippies more.
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This is a funny subject that I have been thinking about a bunch. I recently started dating a mild hippie girl. I say mild because she isn't super flowery, no dreads, doesn't like the grateful dead/phish, doesn't do that much drugs and is pretty grounded/into being active/getting shit done. She does smoke weed regularly, is into super spiritual shit, likes rocks/crystals, goes to festivals etc.
We both believe in almost the same shit, like how the world is fucked, things need to change, we want to build our own shit in the woods, grow our own food etc, but we listen to totally different music, dress way differently and have different attitudes. Shes spiritual, I couldn't give a fuck. She thinks people can change and that the world will be okay, I think we're all fucked and the quicker all humans die the better.
Sometimes we'll be looking at people or pictures and she thinks shes looking at hippies but I see crusty traveler kids. The lines are definitely blurred and the cultures are very much similar. I've been kickin it at her house a bunch which is full of the hippie types and although we are similar, I'd much rather kick it with some punks/hardcore kids/whatever. There's just something about them that is just boring. Also the music sucks. I did raggae/dub and can deal with some other shit, but most of it just sucks.
Also, has anyone noticed the mixing of hippies with hip-hop style and also electronic shit? Mad hippie types wearing baggy jeans, wearing a flat brimmed had and shit. And hippies love getting down to electronic shit like dub-step. Weird ass shit no thanks.
We both believe in almost the same shit, like how the world is fucked, things need to change, we want to build our own shit in the woods, grow our own food etc, but we listen to totally different music, dress way differently and have different attitudes. Shes spiritual, I couldn't give a fuck. She thinks people can change and that the world will be okay, I think we're all fucked and the quicker all humans die the better.
Sometimes we'll be looking at people or pictures and she thinks shes looking at hippies but I see crusty traveler kids. The lines are definitely blurred and the cultures are very much similar. I've been kickin it at her house a bunch which is full of the hippie types and although we are similar, I'd much rather kick it with some punks/hardcore kids/whatever. There's just something about them that is just boring. Also the music sucks. I did raggae/dub and can deal with some other shit, but most of it just sucks.
Also, has anyone noticed the mixing of hippies with hip-hop style and also electronic shit? Mad hippie types wearing baggy jeans, wearing a flat brimmed had and shit. And hippies love getting down to electronic shit like dub-step. Weird ass shit no thanks.
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