Dameon
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Alright, so we recently had the beginning of a discussion on contrails vs chemtrails here: https://squattheplanet.com/threads/whats-happening-to-this-earth.34574/
For a basic summary, the idea is that when contrails look weird, they're actually planes spraying unknown chemicals or minerals into the upper atmosphere for a variety of claimed reasons, from atmospheric manipulation to mind control.
First off, the existence of contrails is well-known, and the fact that a variety of atmospheric conditions affect their appearance and duration is both reasonable and scientifically provable. The most basic explanation is that certain elements from engine exhaust serve as the nucleus for water accumulation, which sometimes becomes ice, forming contrails. Wing surfaces may also provide the necessary circumstances to form a contrail. Even most chemtrail advocates won't go so far as to claim that all contrails are chemtrails, just ones that don't form a "typical" contrail or dissipate quickly. It's important to understand that what you're seeing is ice in the upper atmosphere; it's not going to generally dissipate quickly. It's important to understand that the atmospheric conditions high above the ground are very different from those on the ground, so these formations are not predictable by observing what's going on at your height. The primary basis of the chemtrail belief is that there is a visible difference in the way a contrail behaves versus the way a chemtrail behaves, which is provably false, as any pilot will tell you.
Now for some of the claims: The main one is that it's geoengineering, and this does have a kernel of truth. Use of planes to combat global warming by spraying certain minerals at high altitudes has been proposed at one point in time, but it was determined unfeasible. To accomplish that goal, you would have to have nearly the entire earth covered constantly by this spray; if you're not seeing constant spraying simultaneously over the entire earth, this is not happening. It would require unprecedented cooperation across the entire world, and use of nearly every plane we have. Another kernel of truth is in cloud seeding, which is not uncommon, but also doesn't create what people think of as "chemtrails".
The other explanation is that unspecified chemicals are being sprayed into the air for nefarious purposes, which is the source of the "chemtrails" name. This has no kernel of truth that I know of, and no evidence.
I'll go into the first one, as far as "evidence" goes, we have this guy, as presented by @freepassage :
http://12160.info/forum/topics/chemtrails-lab-analysis-from-rain-snow-samples-confirms-aluminum
For starters, this analysis is on a whopping three samples from one single location. That's just the beginning of the problems with this analysis. For a full debunking, go here:
https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-r...unty-florida-test-positive-for-aluminum.t313/
In short, most of his tests actually found none of these minerals, and the rest found what is normal amounts of them, because minerals in the air are normal. If you've never watched dust particles floating around on a sunny day, then you are blind. Even if the test results were significant (let me emphasize that they're NOT), they don't provide any conclusive link between the samples and contrails.
Here's my challenge for any proponent of chemtrail ideas: Buy a drone that can reach the altitudes contrails are found at and take air samples. This may cost you several hundred dollars, but after all, you'd be definitively proving the above-normal presence of minerals and chemicals in the contrails themselves, thus proving the largest conspiracy ever known to man true. Be sure to learn about chain of custody first, and be rigorous about documentation and avoiding contamination. It would only take one person using products available to the average consumer to blow the whole thing wide open. This is very different from taking samples of random water, not documenting obtaining the samples in any verifiable way, and claiming it's because of contrails.
In closing, despite the fact that it's relatively easy to scientifically prove beyond reasonable doubt that there's an international conspiracy to alter the planet's climate or affect the population, nobody has managed to do this, even though it should be doable with products available to the consumer at a relatively low price.
For a basic summary, the idea is that when contrails look weird, they're actually planes spraying unknown chemicals or minerals into the upper atmosphere for a variety of claimed reasons, from atmospheric manipulation to mind control.
First off, the existence of contrails is well-known, and the fact that a variety of atmospheric conditions affect their appearance and duration is both reasonable and scientifically provable. The most basic explanation is that certain elements from engine exhaust serve as the nucleus for water accumulation, which sometimes becomes ice, forming contrails. Wing surfaces may also provide the necessary circumstances to form a contrail. Even most chemtrail advocates won't go so far as to claim that all contrails are chemtrails, just ones that don't form a "typical" contrail or dissipate quickly. It's important to understand that what you're seeing is ice in the upper atmosphere; it's not going to generally dissipate quickly. It's important to understand that the atmospheric conditions high above the ground are very different from those on the ground, so these formations are not predictable by observing what's going on at your height. The primary basis of the chemtrail belief is that there is a visible difference in the way a contrail behaves versus the way a chemtrail behaves, which is provably false, as any pilot will tell you.
Now for some of the claims: The main one is that it's geoengineering, and this does have a kernel of truth. Use of planes to combat global warming by spraying certain minerals at high altitudes has been proposed at one point in time, but it was determined unfeasible. To accomplish that goal, you would have to have nearly the entire earth covered constantly by this spray; if you're not seeing constant spraying simultaneously over the entire earth, this is not happening. It would require unprecedented cooperation across the entire world, and use of nearly every plane we have. Another kernel of truth is in cloud seeding, which is not uncommon, but also doesn't create what people think of as "chemtrails".
The other explanation is that unspecified chemicals are being sprayed into the air for nefarious purposes, which is the source of the "chemtrails" name. This has no kernel of truth that I know of, and no evidence.
I'll go into the first one, as far as "evidence" goes, we have this guy, as presented by @freepassage :
http://12160.info/forum/topics/chemtrails-lab-analysis-from-rain-snow-samples-confirms-aluminum
For starters, this analysis is on a whopping three samples from one single location. That's just the beginning of the problems with this analysis. For a full debunking, go here:
https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-r...unty-florida-test-positive-for-aluminum.t313/
In short, most of his tests actually found none of these minerals, and the rest found what is normal amounts of them, because minerals in the air are normal. If you've never watched dust particles floating around on a sunny day, then you are blind. Even if the test results were significant (let me emphasize that they're NOT), they don't provide any conclusive link between the samples and contrails.
Here's my challenge for any proponent of chemtrail ideas: Buy a drone that can reach the altitudes contrails are found at and take air samples. This may cost you several hundred dollars, but after all, you'd be definitively proving the above-normal presence of minerals and chemicals in the contrails themselves, thus proving the largest conspiracy ever known to man true. Be sure to learn about chain of custody first, and be rigorous about documentation and avoiding contamination. It would only take one person using products available to the average consumer to blow the whole thing wide open. This is very different from taking samples of random water, not documenting obtaining the samples in any verifiable way, and claiming it's because of contrails.
In closing, despite the fact that it's relatively easy to scientifically prove beyond reasonable doubt that there's an international conspiracy to alter the planet's climate or affect the population, nobody has managed to do this, even though it should be doable with products available to the consumer at a relatively low price.