buying land, going off the grid. (1 Viewer)

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I've been talking a lot lately with friends of mine about how we all woudl love to have some spot of land out in the wild to perma-camp on and live like monkeys or whatever

well, I kinda want to know how to go about buying land. This area of life is a total mystery to me. I'm no where near ready to go forth with such a project but it's in my nature to want to know too damned much too damned soon

I'm looking for some first hand accounts. I know not a lot of people on here own much, if anything, but there may be someone whose done what I'm dreaming of doing one day.

any info would be great. I've been reading around online a bit but it's always far more interesting to hear things from real people who've actually done it.
 
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two things to look at: is it owner financed or bank and if bank is it va, fha or what. next, what's ur FICO score. if it's under 600, most banks won't fuck w/you.

depending on what part of the country you need to ENSURE you have water and mineral rights. check your title abstract 'cause if not you WILL be fucked.

check for how close/price for temp utility drop

check for county ordinances on camping. i.e.; sanitary provisions. just because you buy/are buying doesn't mean you can shit anywhere. if you didn't own it you could.

if you're gonna build, buy land in a county that has zero code/zoning ordinances. where i have my land there are none.

consider mining claim on blm if ur not gonna build/be serious about staying.
 
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my FICO score is more than likely shit. haven't checked it in years. maybe my next step in life will be to pay off some hospital bills and get that back in order.

but I was more hoping I could buy land in cash instead of taking out a loan. aren't there some places where you can buy a few acres for a few grand? or are these places totally not worth owning and hence the super low price? I'm not looking to own 200 arces or anything.. just a few, 3-6 seems good enough for me (I grew up on 3 in the middle of nowhere so I'm comfortable with that)
 
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At least in MI you can go to the Upper Pennisula and buy land hella cheap if you really feel the need to give someone money but there is hundreds and prolly thousands of acres just wide open.. But be ready for winter. Plenty of wood to burn and hunting and all that... BUt from what I have seen land is normally cheaper in 20 and 50 acre parcels.. If your looking at 3 to 5 acres its prolly expensive hunting property or about to be developed.
 

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What you are proposing has been done countless times before. It is harder to do now as the population has grown and even "cheap" land isn't cheap anymore.

The best way to test your idea is to find an existing commune that thinks along the same lines and try living there a while. Group ideas work but rarely long term. If you trace the path of the back-to-the-land people of the 60's and find out where they are today you would be dissapointed. Most of them have either died or melded back into the general society. Notice nothing much in between. Also if you take away died.... it only leaves melded back into society.

The only long-term way you are going to go back to the land is if you do it by yourself. Supported totally by you so nobody else can change,challenge or otherwise muck up your efforts. This requires an income. Income means you will have to earn it from general society on way or another. Hence everybody's road ends in the same destination. Melding back into society.

Before you commit your credit and a massive portion of your life, try it first. Find a commune somewhere and live there a year.
 

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The 2 ways I know of obtaining land is inheriting it, or buying it, and land is expensive. Even cheap land is expensive. Then you must pay property taxes which is expensive. And about the Medical bills....I have like 35,000 dollars in medical bills from last summer(not kidding), I checked my credit a couple weeks ago and it hasen't effected my score at all. Now I've heard countless times that medical bills don't effect credit scores but was always weary of that suggestion. Can anyone clear that up?
 
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I know my hospital debt (small.. like 600) went to collections but I don't know if it effected my score any as I haven't checked. I know there are 3 scores that follow you, not just one, and I think health bills effect one but not all. not sure. something worth googleing. lol

I do owe some asshole college something they kept calling "out of school costs" which I refused to pay because they couldn't explain to me what such a cost is and why I had to pay it after they had already gotten a huge chunk of student loan money out of me. I think that may be bad for my credit. From what I've gathered from a few people, they waited... waited.. and then finally called and said "hey, I can give you this much, can we be done with it?" and they settled it for far less than they initially owed.

but that's besides the point.

I do plan on doing this mostly on my own. I have a few friends that I know are interested but I wont even bother talking to them about it. This idea is obviously YEARS down the road.

I grew up in the country, I know how to make it (for the most part) living somewhat off the grid already. I don't think me being able to handle it would be too much of an issue. I plan on doing some van dwelling in the years to come so I think that will help me get used to it as well. The Vandwelling will hopefully let me get my credit bacm in order as well (no rent, still working, more money, yay)

I dont want a communal life, hence buying land and getting the fuck away from everyone. lol
 

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IBRRHOBO seems to be the right track as to what to look for. Also be careful some cheap land that is used for recreational purposes has home/land owners associations where you have to pay membership fees for road and shower house maintenance and adhere to their bullshit rules or be fined/kicked out or whatever.
 
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the more I read the more it gets insanely complicated lol.

still, this is just another method for me to research so it's all good.

damn theoreical hopes and dreams :D

one day, I swear to god, one day!
 

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Yeah, one day you'll buy land. But before that day comes you'll have to put up with the rest of us for a while. (job with general society).

Hey, there are custodian jobs where you take care of a facility way out in the middle of nowhere. Maybe that could offer you solitude and yet still earn you bucks towards your own land.
 

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You should watch the doc movie called Garbage Warrior. The guy buys 650 acres of land in NM and still can't build his Earthship homes without a lot of bullshit from the local and fed govt there.
 

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It's definately not impossible. I want to do the same thing one day. I want to start an organic farm somewhere. I'd like to do it in Oregon but I looked at farm land there and it's a lot more expensive than a lot of other states. I have some friends that live in Okmulgee that are farming now.
 
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You should watch the doc movie called Garbage Warrior. The guy buys 650 acres of land in NM and still can't build his Earthship homes without a lot of bullshit from the local and fed govt there.
oh that's depressing.

all the rules and regulations seem to get out of hand. that's def something I'll have to spend a lot of tiem learning about before I go into such a project. from what I've seen on all the sites I've looked at is big warnings about such events taking places AFTER you buy your lil spot on earth.
 
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Yeah, one day you'll buy land. But before that day comes you'll have to put up with the rest of us for a while. (job with general society).

Hey, there are custodian jobs where you take care of a facility way out in the middle of nowhere. Maybe that could offer you solitude and yet still earn you bucks towards your own land.
def have considered that type of work for when I travel again. Maybe a park maint. person for the remote areas for a while to learn how to really rough it... then maybe some type of Redrum stuff later on. lol.
 

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Mouse, good luck on your land buying plans. I wanna do the same thing but I've yet to figure out where and how I'm gonna pay for it and support it.
 
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personally, and this is if you have some real grit, i'd contemplate two choices. 1) sock back some funds and probably buy in New Mexico. liberal politics and zoning in the right areas; or 2) contemplate the land lottery in alaska. arrow could probably tell you more on this, but when glenn got his land up there you had to have the money to survey immediately. additionally, for any type of REAL construction you about have to airlift shit. you also only have 4-6 months to do it in due to weather.

i've bought and sold over the years. if u ever get closer to needing real answers you have my number and i'll walk you through the game. some fancy 25 cent words are all that really seperate you from owning land.
 
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personally, and this is if you have some real grit, i'd contemplate two choices. 1) sock back some funds and probably buy in New Mexico. liberal politics and zoning in the right areas; or 2) contemplate the land lottery in alaska. arrow could probably tell you more on this, but when glenn got his land up there you had to have the money to survey immediately. additionally, for any type of REAL construction you about have to airlift shit. you also only have 4-6 months to do it in due to weather.

i've bought and sold over the years. if u ever get closer to needing real answers you have my number and i'll walk you through the game. some fancy 25 cent words are all that really seperate you from owning land.
very greatful for the offer!
I hope to maybe, hopefully, put funds away to at least get a good down payment on something, someday. But for now i'm gonna be working on getting my credit score on track.

alaska is def NOT going to be my bag. I hate the cold and I hate the dark. lol.

I could handle NM, as long as it's northern. AZ is nice as well.
 

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The best way to test your idea is to find an existing commune that thinks along the same lines and try living there a while. Group ideas work but rarely long term. If you trace the path of the back-to-the-land people of the 60's and find out where they are today you would be dissapointed. Most of them have either died or melded back into the general society. Notice nothing much in between. Also if you take away died.... it only leaves melded back into society.
true that, I wanna do that for a time... um... What about of instead of buying land. Find some forgoten gost town or something and just squat there... Something with water source, and then farming, trees... Just claim an old town or something. That would be cool... Just searched for a bunch of forgotten towns... But then thought "If they were truly forgotten, it would make it hard to google them.
 
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eh, I want to own it. that way I can do what I say, when I say it. I'm sick of being at the whim of everyone elses luck
 

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true that, I wanna do that for a time... um... What about of instead of buying land. Find some forgoten gost town or something and just squat there... Something with water source, and then farming, trees... Just claim an old town or something. That would be cool... Just searched for a bunch of forgotten towns... But then thought "If they were truly forgotten, it would make it hard to google them.
You are talking about a LOT of work. Running a farm is no joke. You'll be up before dawn and work till dark if you want any chance of getting things done. If you don't own that land and you put all that work into it. A year later when Mr. Land owner comes around ALL your work goes down the drain. Never mind the money you put into it. Owning land really is the only way I'd be willing to put the work into farming it.

Hmm.... come to think of it.... I guess we are all just a bunch of people that want to become farmers.
 

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