If Revolution was presented.

[Teko]

Would you take arms against the fascist government?
Not Occupy. Not the 99%.
Would you do what we all know needs to be done?
Im asking because I am ready to do just that.

 

[Pheonix]

The only reason the whole nation ain't right there with you is cause they all know how bloody our last civil war was.

 

[Teko]

Right, but as many have said before, "the atrocities of our government have gone on for far to long".
It is more than past time to do something about it. The SLA had the right idea, but the wrong direction. Think about it, there is a whole network of people on here spread out all over the country, and in some cases, other countries. All associated by punknomad. Would it really be grasping that much to think that we could come together and actually do SOMETHING? Ignoring the problem isnt going to help, never has. I want to start a war against The Fascist States of America.

 

[dolittle]

The average american citizen will never rise up against the u.s. government. Americans are WAY to fat & lazy for that.
As long as the government lets the people sleep in the house, eat scraps from the table & tosses the people a couple bones now & then, the people will continue to be good little kittens. The average am. will not revolt because they are afraid they might miss a good sale at wall mart or an episode of Real House Wives.
No matter hoe bad we THINK we have it. We KNOW we got it better than most countrys on the planet. Plus, the gov. knows that when we start to growl at them, all they have to do is mutter a few lying platitudes. They know we are to fat & lazy to actually bite the hand that feeds us.

 

[Everymanalion]

You have to remember that even IF you and your group got passed the police and military sent to quell your revolution that we have a whole nation conditioned to the point that if ANYONE goes against our government, they are a terrorist, you would be slandered on Fox news and every major corporate outlet as an enemy and alot of the nation would rise up against you, in a revolution, you always need the support of the people(Morale, food/shelter, medicine etc) and if the media spreads lies about you, the nation will listen and also try to destroy you. Even if you succeeded yet didnt have the support of the public in a coup, they would overthrow you instantly, NATO would step in and it would never work unless every single aspect was planned and re-worked perfectly.

If you really want to change things, send me a PM. I have studied geo-economic policies and revolution(both violent and non) going on 6 years now so i would say i am a tad well versed in the subject.

 

[Pheonix]

If you want to start something a couple well targeted assassinations would do the trick.

 

[Teko]

If you want to start something a couple well targeted assassinations would do the trick.

for lack of better words.
exactly.

 

[Pheonix]

No, mister Secret Service Agent I would never harm my country. I'm a good patriotic citizen.

 

[Agni Riniari]

we have a whole nation conditioned to the point that if ANYONE goes against our government, they are a terrorist, you would be slandered on Fox news and every major corporate outlet as an enemy and alot of the nation would rise up against you, in a revolution, you always need the support of the people(Morale, food/shelter, medicine etc) and if the media spreads lies about you, the nation will listen and also try to destroy you.

One of the only ways that it seems something like this would succeed in days like these, would be for the government to have basically started the war themselves, because, like he said above, the majority are not going to either see that it is a revolution for them and their freedom, or they are not going to want to risk the 'comfort' that they are accustomed to.

- Agni

 

[Bl3wbyyou]

Hey just get a bunch of people together and go burn American flags at Washington.Its what the Indians did and look what that got lol.I'd be down as shit to do it.This country isn't for the people its a huge cooperate whore house is all it is.And we aren't in it or invited to be apart of it.And also the flag has no meaning anymore to the way this country is today.

But at best it would be another Waco or Ruby ridge if you haven't heard of these stories then look em up.

Americans are far too sedated to even give a slight motion of care.Everyone is much more concerned about the next iphone/ipod/whateverthefuckisthenextfad/sports/facebook.Then to even give a slight shit about this country.Hell people walked over each other in the name of $1 toasters on black Friday.You really think people give 2 shits about this country or each other for that matter?

You wanna spark a revolution then people need to march on DC with guns in the air.The snakes will run away pretty easily im sure of that.I had a few friends who witnessed the crap that went on with occupy dc and the cops were running away from the people and it was only around a thousand people.Hell it wouldn't even take 50% of the population to take this country back.

I am also pretty sure the old viets from these bullshit 'wars' would sign right up along us.They are aware of whats going on and has been going on for 60+ yrs.Alot of em are getting screwed out of there benefits.I have a buddy who took a damn rpg in his hummer on duty and has been fighting for his damn benefits for 4 years and he served 14 yrs in Iraq.Majority of the viets in this country are aware that there own government doesn't give 2 shits about them or there family for that matter.

Old Nixon quote that is fuckin funny/scary.The worst thing to hear from your government is that we are here to help.

Shit governments cause more death and suffering then any of these damn wars that have been going on.

Haha.

 

[Thoreau]

First, the US is a WAAY to large country for any kind of revolution, and certainly the people are still expecting help and some need the support of the goverment to live, so you just cant.
A revolution would tear the country apart into independent states or even less.
Also you are in a point that the goverment has a HUGE, HUGE, military machine, that can crush anything and will not hesitate to slaughter its own citizens.
Most people dont want anything to change
See the movie ''Network'' and your mind will be blown, explains it all

http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/4018059

As said, i dont see any other solution but plot with a group of military dissidents or military officers who are not happy and want change, you can plot a coup from there.
Assassinations, always, best option, assassination of military elites, bankers, dont forget, federal reserve staff and other elite of the elite, dont think you should botter with politicians, they are not the authority there

Also: https://anarplex.net/

 

[NM Black Cross Medic]

I have 3 problems with Armed Insurrection:
1. We'd lose.
2. We'd fucking lose.
3. It creates a situation of mutual self defense between the revolutionaries and the soldiers of the
regime

Air power and intelligence plays a huge role in modern war. We have no drones, planes, choppers or areal recon. It doesn't matter how many fighters we have, we'd lose to resources and supplies.

The other problem I have is moral. Mutual self defense is a situation where opposing forces are shooting at each-other out of self-preservation. The soldier has nothing against the revolutionary, but is being shot at by the revolutionary. The revolutionary has nothing against the soldier, but is being made to shoot him because he is protecting his oppressor.

 

[Thoreau]

I have 3 problems with Armed Insurrection:
1. We'd lose.
2. We'd fucking lose.
3. It creates a situation of mutual self defense between the revolutionaries and the soldiers of the
regime

Air power and intelligence plays a huge role in modern war. We have no drones, planes, choppers or areal recon. It doesn't matter how many fighters we have, we'd lose to resources and supplies.

The other problem I have is moral. Mutual self defense is a situation where opposing forces are shooting at each-other out of self-preservation. The soldier has nothing against the revolutionary, but is being shot at by the revolutionary. The revolutionary has nothing against the soldier, but is being made to shoot him because he is protecting his oppressor.

Well in theory youl lose, but there have been coups, take europe for example in the 70s
They had litle resistence, both military parties talked and made a point, things got solved with inteligence, sometimes soldiers are just catle.
They went, everything was took down, nobody died in the process, revolutionary problems will occur but everything turns out great

 

[Pheonix]

You want a war go to Mexico. You would have a much better chance overpowering the Mexican Drug Cartels then you would overpowering the branches of the US military. Many former soldiers don't want to join the revolution cause even thou they know the government sucks they also know better then to fight the very system that trained them to kill for profit. And that's truly a damn shame cause the revolution needs a leader that's wise in military strategy.

 

[ped]

If you want to bring down the state and incite a real revolution I think the most feasable way is to give it the rope it needs to hang itself. One of the most insidious ways it keeps the status quo and economic dictatorship is the welfare state. Things have to get very bad here economically first. That means giving laissez-faire free reign without liberalism; progressive taxation, social security, medicare, etc. Strip the people of their toys and distractions.

You cannot and do not need militia. Just subversion which we are actually quite realistically ripe for. Or you can do as Al Quiada and bleed to state dry. Their doing a damn fine job at it actually. Think of what they have accomplished in a decade with a rag tag team of guerillas.

In summary you want to bring down the state systematically? Vote republican. let the beast devour itself.

Quite frankly though I suspect there is really an unconscious love affair that no one wants to admit. The carefree travel, the self-indulgance, the living off the excess. A conflict between pleasure and morality causing guilt that then manifests itself in things such as ceaseless ineffectual protesting for instance. Where we can pretend to do something without actually affecting anything as means to cope with the internal dissonance.

 

[Pheonix]

All Hail Mitt

 

[soapybum]

I doubt there will be a large scale revolution here, or if there is it would be co-opted and would be fuckin pointless. I think models like SHAC and a few others are more effective, guerilla tactics and such. Along with the more direct resistance you also need people community building etc to show what an anarchist culture could be like. If you don't provide an alternative for someone they are going to feel like you are acting the only way of life they know, and through that attacking them.

 

[Pheonix]

Many Americans see Mexico as being in a state of anarchy and don't want that for this country.

 

[Matt Derrick]

unlike most people here, im not going to say DON'T do it, but rather just change your tactics. you can't win a war like that here currently, so just switch to grass roots organization and take it from the ground level up. you can make a hell of a lot more change in your community than you can with a big demonstration in washington d.c. that's where the revolution begins.

 

[Pheonix]

unlike most people here, im not going to say DON'T do it, but rather just change your tactics. you can't win a war like that here currently, so just switch to grass roots organization and take it from the ground level up. you can make a hell of a lot more change in your community than you can with a big demonstration in washington d.c. that's where the revolution begins.

Exactly Washington didn't start the revolution, a bunch of tea hating people in Boston did.