Traveler Culture as Evolutionary Lifeboat

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Rome as a Republic lasted many centuries, longer than the US has existed, but for a variety of reasons it fractured and fell. Some of the great Mesoamerican civilizations suddenly abandoned their cities, possibly due to drought and/or political collapse. Weather, infighting, one thing or another, all of the great empires have eventually fallen except ours.

Mainstream people's priorities, what they argue over, what is important to them, what they fear and why, none of these things include that it could seriously all just collapse...but it has happened to every empire in history before us.

Our leaders don't listen to our scientists. They listen to money.

Our soldiers aren't sent to rescue concentration camp prisoners. They are sent to fight for other people's money.

The vast majority of our workforce are not engaged in work of passion and creativity and purpose and love. Most people just work for money.

We let the poor die when they get sick, the mentally ill wander the streets, we imprison addicts, we brutalize prisoners at higher rates than North Korea, we dishearten and frighten our children with a deeply dysfunctional "education" system, and we have a very expensive justice system with victory all but assured for whoever has the most money.

Our politicians don't vote for truth or conviction, they vote for money.

And if it all collapses, who is most likely to survive? The cities will in the initial days be horrific burning charnel houses as people realize the most dangerous thing in The Walking Dead was never the zombies. Scared humans in large numbers, armed to a level of firepower unprecedented in the history of the planet, will madly fight one another in panic.

The most brutal and capably violent will soon emerge, and the fate of those around them will be determined by how reasonable and kind the most brutal and capably violent people are. The primitive ideologies, such as racial separatism and/or religious fundamentalism, will be powerfully effective and form larger and more cohesive groups. Many not so inclined to those things (which are powerfully destructive but ruled for centuries during the European dark ages) will have to flee.

There will be places, far from the major scavenging centers, where some will have the experience, knowledge, and willingness to go. They may not know why they felt compelled to do it, but Gaia has been executing the program of evolution for billions of years.

Anti-bacterial soaps are increasingly useless, scientists have warned, because what remains (and have propagated) are the resistant strains. So we fought bacteria for a while, and now it can't be hurt by that anymore, because a tiny few survived. It's like the Borg if any of you older people remember ST: TNG.

But we are nature, too. Gaia gives all her children great adaptability. Some of you, maybe on this board, are what nature has created to assure that when it goes down hard, there are some who may ready for what they need to do and more importantly, where they need to go.

Because you've always been doing it.

Does any of that make sense?
 

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what makes you think it hasnt already gone down "hard"

The most brutal and violent have won. They formed a government. That government sent its minions to go kill natives and the most brutal, viscious, and cunning formed a new government.

Government is nothing more than a mob of heathen subhumans propped up by people brainwashed to murder for it. If not them, then someone else.

It what makes me laugh and cry deep inside when we prop up stupid fucking ideas like taking food stamps is wrong but working for free for people who have 100x more than we do is somehow righteous. It's the slave morality of the protestant work ethic ingrained in our brain so we have a good, obedient workforce...which is there so "people" like trump can have the fortunes of a million lifetimes the average worker.

The way to bring down this corrupt system is stop working for them at a net loss of our labor. they know that and its why land is too expensive and why they social engineer over-population.

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what makes you think it hasnt already gone down "hard"

The most brutal and violent have won. They formed a government. That government sent its minions to go kill natives and the most brutal, viscious, and cunning formed a new government.

Government is nothing more than a mob of heathen subhumans propped up by people brainwashed to murder for it. If not them, then someone else.

It what makes me laugh and cry deep inside when we prop up stupid fucking ideas like taking food stamps is wrong but working for free for people who have 100x more than we do is somehow righteous. It's the slave morality of the protestant work ethic ingrained in our brain so we have a good, obedient workforce...which is there so "people" like trump can have the fortunes of a million lifetimes the average worker.

Well, by "hard" I mean cities in flames and no infrastructure. The fractures are now very clearly visible and audible, but there is at least relative coherent order.

I'm talking about wholesale global social political collapse, and suddenly billions who will not all readily and peacefully adapt to agrarian communes.

I mean a week of hundreds of millions of deaths.

We've never seen that on this planet. Yet.

But that's what I mean by "hard".
 

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Gotcha. The post future has to be techno-agrarian. First, 65-75% population death has to occur for our survival.
 
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This is the best kind of depressing.

There's a school of thought that Third World countries actually will be at a weird advantage, their populations are used to surviving in subsistence primitive conditions.

For them, it will be like "Oh, there's no electricity, clean water, protection from crime, and people are killing one another everywhere? Here we call that 'Tuesday'."
 
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It's the idea of permanent cold and general lack of life, or hibernation of it, that bothers me. General mayhem actually sounds fun, in a not fun at all way. Ok, maybe a bit fun, suffering included. It would not be boring at least, if not for the possible ice age.
 
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It's the idea of permanent cold and general lack of life, or hibernation of it, that bothers me. General mayhem actually sounds fun, in a not fun at all way.

Yeah, if we wind up in a "The Road" kind of situation, that is scarier than a "Mad Max: Fury Road" situation.
 
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After 200 years it might be.

Shit, I was born in the days of bell bottoms and the fuckin' BeeGees, it already looks like 200 years in the future to me. You fuckin' kids starting building transistors a couple molecules wide, and a tv that fits in your pocket with access to almost the entire acquired knowledge of humanity.

I use mine for porn and weather updates.
 
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Oh man...I seriously doubt I'm 25-35% percentile in survival aptitude.

I guess I just need to find a dignified position to be found dead in.

look at the world population before the industrial revolution. apparently it's about 1/7th of what it is now. so about just under 1b people worldwide. That's approx an 85% reduction.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population
 

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