fighting of witchcraft, praying on the road and honoring god as a traveler of light or a christian anarchist

[saul]

something not talked about too often or praised on the road is God I can remember so many times I could of used a prayer is their such thing as a christian anarchist, doesn't that go against everything we know, instead of stealing from the police and getting arrested i could of prayed to god for a glass of water, instead of being on the run on the road turning myself in repenting and traveling with a free spirit is something I regret not doing, everyday there's more and more pain in the world as a traveler its very important to have a clear mind and consciousness as well as health how many of us haven't ended our lives with drugs alcohol and terrible decisions im writing this post for everyone instead of lighting Molotov's lets light our hearts and each others i dont mean to change anyone's political views or religious beliefs im only writing this in hopes my message helps people on the road the same way many peoples words helped me.

 

[roguetrader]

show me this God of which you speak...


yeah thought not .........

 

[saul]

show me this God of which you speak...


yeah thought not .........

show me this speak of which you god of

 

[Beegod Santana]

Christian anarchists exist but I don't know if their organized in anyway. Lots of older rainbow people get on the god trip. Nationals is supposed to be a prayer for world peace so it's at least a little religous.

 

[Matt Derrick]

christian anarchists are some of the most confused people ive ever met, or traveled with.

Also, witchcraft rules!

 

[sevedemanos]

what about nihilism.

if i said i dont believe in magic spells would it make me a misogynist

 

[Big George W]

I guess one could easily state that Jesus was the first radical, and that his radical actions brought him to his death. In many places even today, radical thinking and teaching gets one killed.
I've been searching for truth most of my life, but for some reason I always come back to the bible.
As a Lutheran who went to Catholic schools, I was kind of startled as to being treated as someone who was different.
That was well over 40 years ago.... when I was growing up in Brooklyn NY during the 1970s, 80s....
Today, I live about 90 miles away, in a small dirty old town that is trying to reinvent itself.
There is a very old First Congregational Church walking distance from me, which I briefly attended back in the early 90s.
I remember when REVS came up for a visit, we went there, and he was impressed.
I stopped going once the congregation wanted me to get more involved.
But now, I'm thinking about going back.
The fact that the church goes back to 1677, with the church being opened in 1821 is really saying something, as I appreciate all things historical.
I found out they are a part of the UCC United Church of Christ, so I decided to dig a little further.
Looking at the UCC's website and especially their youtube page, I was amazed to see how active they are when it comes to defending Mother Earth, they are hard core enviromentalists - so I knew I was in from the get-go.
I watched a video of a choir singing with my mouth open the whole time, as it mind as well had been the Manson family singing, the people wore whatever they had, a couple of the girls that were barefoot, and the singing was off key and slightly out of time to the point of being immaculate.
That is what going to church is all about to me !!
Here's the thing.
If you do something, or practice something, believe in something with a real love in your heart, than it can never be wrong.
I'm totally into Christ's teachings, but I loath the idea of being labled as a Christian, as I probably worship the earth, our air,trees,water,animals.... more than anything else as I recognize the importance of our ecology as a whole - just like the UCC folks who are also into Judaism and Islam too but that's another topic for another day.
Am I an Anarchist ?? Not anymore....
Am I a Christian ?? Not in the manner that most define that word.
Last night, I consumed 4 pints of Ice Cream Man brew.
Today I woke up to find something that happened inside here that I cannot expain.
After I feed the birds which I'm doing next, and talking to the trees here, I will make breakfast, then sit on my deck with my morning tea and do my off and on daily bible reading.
I will also think about the idea of being a Christian Anarchist.
But again, I think there already was/is one who can be used as a role model, and that is Christ Jesus.

 

[beau riley]

my take on this is I don't see a problem with religion on the road, whether that's Christianity, Buddhism, islam etc, but that doesn't give an excuse to shit on other religions or harass people practicing them.

 

[saul]

my take on this is I don't see a problem with religion on the road, whether that's Christianity, Buddhism, islam etc, but that doesn't give an excuse to shit on other religions or harass people practicing them.

That's true harassment isn't good for anyone

 

[Tobiko]

my take on this is I don't see a problem with religion on the road, whether that's Christianity, Buddhism, islam etc, but that doesn't give an excuse to shit on other religions or harass people practicing them.

i agree, I think harassment is crap.

my question is this: what if a persons practice of their ideology or religion shits on/is oppressive to others? Or has laid the groundwork for the current oppressive society we live in through centuries of violence based on moral righteousness (everybody seems to believe they are doing the “right” thing, even if it is an atrocity, ”onward christian soldiers” and all that)
Big George W said: ”If you do something, or practice something, believe in something with a real love in your heart, than it can never be wrong.”
plenty of people have done some pretty awful things in the name of what they consider “real love” to be for them, the “right” thing is a very relative thing. and once again I will state that I think that we are living in the fallout of their heinous actions and that it has just been normalized for our day-to-day lives through the conditioning we have received.

christ jesus seems to me to be a sorta “good cop” figure in the scheme of things.

also, I’m not just picking on Xianity, i think it is worthwhile for all oppressive ideologies/belief systems to be critically examined.

 

[saul]

When I think about Christianity I mold it my self the same way those wicked Romans changed the face of Jesus and the book of god I believe in reincarnation still and give those poems my own interpretation. I believe in spirits and being native I believe they guide me as well recently a creepy narcissist who I was trying to help started doing witchcraft on me all I can say is people be careful who you help I don't get a long with many christians because I still practice certain practices like cleansing the spirit with tobacco but I've seen some scary shit while people have done witchcraft on me and reading a verse having bread and wine calm the spirit Jesus was a dirty homeless man so where his disciples but I agree with what you have to say personally I don't talk to many Muslims because of how oppressive that religion is twords women my faith also shift from shaminsm paganism Buddhism and Christianity but in regards to fighting of witchcraft aside from shaminsm it seems to be the best that doesn't hurt the body correct me if I'm wrong

 

[saul]

i agree, I think harassment is crap.

my question is this: what if a persons practice of their ideology or religion shits on/is oppressive to others? Or has laid the groundwork for the current oppressive society we live in through centuries of violence based on moral righteousness (everybody seems to believe they are doing the “right” thing, even if it is an atrocity, ”onward christian soldiers” and all that)
Big George W said: ”If you do something, or practice something, believe in something with a real love in your heart, than it can never be wrong.”
plenty of people have done some pretty awful things in the name of what they consider “real love” to be for them, the “right” thing is a very relative thing. and once again I will state that I think that we are living in the fallout of their heinous actions and that it has just been normalized for our day-to-day lives through the conditioning we have received.

christ jesus seems to me to be a sorta “good cop” figure in the scheme of things.

also, I’m not just picking on Xianity, i think it is worthwhile for all oppressive ideologies/belief systems to be critically examined.

I think all religions should be radicalized that in the sense that if one oppress another group of people it this religion should not exist a lot of people should consider my shamanic believes witchcraft for ex eating magic mushrooms to remove hexes I guess there isn't anything wrong with witchcraft in my book except for vampirism and black magic that hurts the innocent just wanted to see where everyone was at with that.

 

[roguetrader]

oh man don't you just hate it when the creepy narcissist's start with the witchcraft ? I've had people roll their eyes and claim 'first world problem' BUT it is a real issue...

what works for me is i gather all my Christian trappings together - Holy Bible / good sized Cross / vial of Holy Water etc - and I confront the individual with all the righteous anger that a true believer can muster ! point out that by dabbling in witchcraft one risks their immortal soul - and if it is Sex Magick they are engaging in there is a very high risk of STD's !

 

[saul]

Your brave I just drink beer and smoke cigarettes though some guy how to play music and drive and they openly admitted to doing witchcraft on me because I wouldn't give them any money I'm from a third world country Honduras and I od all the time but knowingly knowing that someone you did nothing but try to help is cursing you and doing witchcraft on you hurts the spirit where do you get your holy water...,?

 

[saul]

what about nihilism.

if i said i dont believe in magic spells would it make me a misogynist

No everyone has their own beliefs

 

[saul]

christian anarchists are some of the most confused people ive ever met, or traveled with.

Also, witchcraft rules!

That's good to know I'm renouncing my Christianity

 

[sevedemanos]

No everyone has their own beliefs

witchcraft/paganism is all the rage these days. its funny to me because i doubt these people have any idea how these things work, or have ever actually read people like aleister or delved very deeply into old texts touching on the esoteric / historic adaptations and transformation of judaeo-christianity nor done very much spiritual work to speak of.

i wasnt raised with religious beliefs. and remain stolidly agnostic. although becoming fascinated with a range of subjects as a young man i eventually came into my own and am much more concerned with the here and now than anything else. life is a beautiful thing as is and imho doesnt need speaking for. these ornate embellishments, whether philosophical, theistic, religious, hypothetical, political or what. and all these things can limit you from practical learning opportunities and personal growth

 

[Coywolf]

Ok, so I just met this girl in Denver who was traveling with almost absolutely nothing but God and a runaway pack. I thought the girl was absolutely batshit crazy, as I got the tenth degree about Jesus and the Bible...

But shit dude. I haven't EVER met someone more in line with my line of political thought, that also had a ridiculous faith in God and Jesus and w/e.

We had countless philosophical discussions about the Bible, Christian faith, and scripture. And I DEFINITELY voiced my opinion of how contradictory and obviously edited over the years it was. She didn't relent.

Then I said how my mom used to say that the Bible was an acronym, for 'Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth'. And that is when he agreed with me. She said 'most of us know that bunch of stuff in the Bible is not literal, but there is a big difference between faith and religion....FUCK religion'

So ya...maybe people can have faith and also be anarchists. I mean, I'm a crazy ass Pagan, and I lean hard towards anarchism. Hierarchical structures and faith don't necessarily have to be synonymous. Religion definitely does.

Girl was definitely batshit insane tho, haha. Just the way I like it 🫠

Edit: also, as @Matt Derrick said, Witchcraft and anything Pagan IS awesome, and I wish more people practiced more earth-based faith/religion.

 

[sevedemanos]

botany, forestry, herbal medicine, gardening.. naturalpathy