Earning my way into Israel

[Odin]

You know... everything made more sense when I had that IV of vodka diesel hooked up to my arm.

...when I start posting Trigun Anime Music Videos.... and rambling pseudoscience... (you ever see that dome of the rock UFO vid) right... then my posts will be funny, annoying and interesting.

So how are yall... slept off that hangover and its chilly but sunny today.

Cant believe April is half over...

Edit...

I need to go call some old boss man... see if I can get some seasonal work planting tulips. LOL

 

[MFB]

even though I'm milking this thread for all it's worth every time I see it I double take or blink anyway I keep seeing EATING my way into Israel...

I'll see your idiocy and raise it to;

Until this thread, I thought Israel was part of Europe.....

 

[Deleted member 27861]

I'll see your idiocy and raise it to;

Until this thread, I thought Israel was part of Europe.....

Next you're gonna tell me you thought we have 51 states instead of 50.

 

[MFB]

Puerto Rico?

 

[wokofshame]

Kinda random that you'd be trying to move there dobt ya think? Id consider looking into it from a more for a humans rights\palestinian liberation perspective. Israel is a hyper militarized settler colonial project that continues to displace people, violate human rights and international law. Reading pieces from jewsish antifascists/antizionists would be a good starting point

This piece is old but still relavant i think What is happening in Palestine? - https://sub.media/video/happening-palestine/

True. But the land most of us walk on (US) was all shysted from the Indians through shady deals and tricks and bribery of chiefs, as well as outright theft, genocide, biological warfare, and environmental destruction. Canada is no better, their government was stealing First Nations children away from their families, culture, and language, and forcibly placing them in boarding schools as late as 1996.

I spent a summer in Israel in 2007, took the free Birthright trip, and stayed on working and bumming. I really loved it. Somehow most people are easy to talk to there, even an antisocial introvert like me was able to make connections easily. I also loved that everyone pushes and shoves in line, the joke is that an Israeli line is shaped like a "V". The landscape is amazing in the Negev desert, there is great beaches, food's bomb, weather is pimp. I would recommend going.
Yes the land is largely stolen. Not going to make any excuses, though I hope radicals can note that it has been stolen back and forth between warring tribes for millenia-the jews, arabs, christians, turks, etc. But I don't think that makes it unethical to visit, the only reason we forget about North America being stolen is that we have so successfully managed to destroy almost 100% of the indigenous people here. Whenever I cross the plains I have this deep nightmarish haunted feeling because the genocide is so recent compared to the east coast, the pain so fresh. How many, just for example, Florida residents notice or observe on a given day all the suffering and displacement which created the space they exist in. Just my two cents

 

[ScatteredCrowBones]

True. But the land most of us walk on (US) was all shysted from the Indians through shady deals and tricks and bribery of chiefs, as well as outright theft, genocide, biological warfare, and environmental destruction. Canada is no better, their government was stealing First Nations children away from their families, culture, and language, and forcibly placing them in boarding schools as late as 1996.

I spent a summer in Israel in 2007, took the free Birthright trip, and stayed on working and bumming. I really loved it. Somehow most people are easy to talk to there, even an antisocial introvert like me was able to make connections easily. I also loved that everyone pushes and shoves in line, the joke is that an Israeli line is shaped like a "V". The landscape is amazing in the Negev desert, there is great beaches, food's bomb, weather is pimp. I would recommend going.
Yes the land is largely stolen. Not going to make any excuses, though I hope radicals can note that it has been stolen back and forth between warring tribes for millenia-the jews, arabs, christians, turks, etc. But I don't think that makes it unethical to visit, the only reason we forget about North America being stolen is that we have so successfully managed to destroy almost 100% of the indigenous people here. Whenever I cross the plains I have this deep nightmarish haunted feeling because the genocide is so recent compared to the east coast, the pain so fresh. How many, just for example, Florida residents notice or observe on a given day all the suffering and displacement which created the space they exist in. Just my two cents

Hey thanks for bringing up the point around US colonization. Its a very important point that we are all standing on stolen land and i think that the only move towards integrity for non indigenous folks that are born here is to develope relationships of mutual aid and struggle in solidarity with indigenous peoples against the settler state/empire that is actively and continually destroying the land through extraction.

Its very important though to remember that indigenous people are still here and still fighting for their land and sovreignty. They are not "almost 100℅" destroyed. Not to say the genocide commited by the settler state wasnt horrifically huge in scope, but rather that indigenous peoples and their cultures are incredible resiliant and are building collective power. The myth that indians are gone is the narrative pushed by the dominant culture.

But we see movements like standing rock, the Tohono o'odham tribe resisting border militarization, and the wetsuweten clans rising up this winter that inspired blockades across the continent.

Reading back on my initial post i feel like i may have missteped or been quick to jump to conclusions. Ive never been to israel but there is definately more to the land culture and people than the violence of the state. Though i would be concerned that if someone is working there (especially in cyber security) that you would probably be collaborating with the state\the IDF.

I would def be interested in hearing more about your birthright trip, my friends that have gone on birthright have basically defected to go to palestine to do solidarity work .

 

[Deleted member 27861]

Hey thanks for bringing up the point around US colonization. Its a very important point that we are all standing on stolen land and i think that the only move towards integrity for non indigenous folks that are born here is to develope relationships of mutual aid and struggle in solidarity with indigenous peoples against the settler state/empire that is actively and continually destroying the land through extraction.

Its very important though to remember that indigenous people are still here and still fighting for their land and sovreignty. They are not "almost 100℅" destroyed. Not to say the genocide commited by the settler state wasnt horrifically huge in scope, but rather that indigenous peoples and their cultures are incredible resiliant and are building collective power. The myth that indians are gone is the narrative pushed by the dominant culture.

But we see movements like standing rock, the Tohono o'odham tribe resisting border militarization, and the wetsuweten clans rising up this winter that inspired blockades across the continent.

Reading back on my initial post i feel like i may have missteped or been quick to jump to conclusions. Ive never been to israel but there is definately more to the land culture and people than the violence of the state. Though i would be concerned that if someone is working there (especially in cyber security) that you would probably be collaborating with the state\the IDF.

I would def be interested in hearing more about your birthright trip, my friends that have gone on birthright have basically defected to go to palestine to do solidarity work .

Oh wow, you can do that? What's solidarity work?

You know, all of this also reminds me of how I saw that Duolingo now teaches the Navajo language. I tried it out a few times.

I started it partly out of my curiosity about American Indians, or Native-Americans. I learned from a video from a guy called CGP Grey that the closer you are to a reservation, the Native-Americans prefer to be called American Indians, but just barely. It's barely preferable.

Because There's so few of them and they've had to meld together their tribes so much, and people keep just calling them whatever, they'd rather be called something that at least makes them sound like they've been here the longest, and not just like some animals in some nature reserve.

I also got the idea of having a character in a story who is half Navajo, of some kind, and half white, and I need to learn more about their culture to do justice in writing the character.

Isn't it just so alien? Calling them "Native-Americans" and "American Indians" like that? Like they're mystical or something, when they're just people. Makes me feel embarrassed.

 

[Deleted member 27861]

I got a friend Max (Diné) who keeps trying to get with me - can I hand him off to you?

The fuck is that?

 

[Deleted member 27861]

Oh, Oh! He's Diné. He keeps trying to get with you?

 

[Deleted member 27861]

And I thought I was having issues? What you think he's into black guys or would be a potential contact for learning more about Navajo?

 

[Deleted member 27861]

You could do some real life research into modern Navajo culture

I posted some pictures he shared with me on here

Oh, yeah, yeah. I'll look around. I just didn't know what to make of all that?

 

[Deleted member 27861]

He lives across town in the house of a friend Paul the Swede - we interact fairly regularly

He seems like an interesting guy. Not that I'm gay or anything.

 

[wokofshame]

Hey thanks for bringing up the point around US colonization. Its a very important point that we are all standing on stolen land and i think that the only move towards integrity for non indigenous folks that are born here is to develope relationships of mutual aid and struggle in solidarity with indigenous peoples against the settler state/empire that is actively and continually destroying the land through extraction.

Its very important though to remember that indigenous people are still here and still fighting for their land and sovreignty. They are not "almost 100℅" destroyed. Not to say the genocide commited by the settler state wasnt horrifically huge in scope, but rather that indigenous peoples and their cultures are incredible resiliant and are building collective power. The myth that indians are gone is the narrative pushed by the dominant culture.

But we see movements like standing rock, the Tohono o'odham tribe resisting border militarization, and the wetsuweten clans rising up this winter that inspired blockades across the continent.

Reading back on my initial post i feel like i may have missteped or been quick to jump to conclusions. Ive never been to israel but there is definately more to the land culture and people than the violence of the state. Though i would be concerned that if someone is working there (especially in cyber security) that you would probably be collaborating with the state\the IDF.

I would def be interested in hearing more about your birthright trip, my friends that have gone on birthright have basically defected to go to palestine to do solidarity work .

Definitely agree, actually funny story I was a volunteer sheepherder for a Dine family for a couple of stints. I feel like in many parts of the east coast, california, europeans pretty much did eradicate the native tribes. Like for example I lived in connecticut for a little bit and there were two "tribes" there but largely gone were their traditions and they existed mainly to run a casino.
Totally different story in the prairies etc.
Before and after I went to israel a large portion of people i talked to gave me the kneejerk reaction of "how could you" and it kind of annoyed me so i would always say my first post at them more or less about the americas.
i went there with very anti-zionist political views and left, still anti-zionist, but with a more nuanced understanding of the situation. like, for one most israelis were born there (or are immigrants from USSR countries) and could care less about zionism. or that the IDF is really an extension of the US military, fulfilling US geopolitical aims, being that most of the funding comes from america. orthodox jews cause much of the violence and hold an outsize influence as far as palestinian relations/settlements but orthodox young people are excused from military service by attending yeshivah (religious skool). also they are largely on welfare.
i spent a couple months in the tiny settlement of ezuz on the egyptian border, far from anything. my friend had a wwoof password and i worked for a family whose neighbors had gotten free employees through wwoof and though they couldn't even use a computer or speak much english, had the neighbour make them a wwoof listing. we built rock dams across a dry wash to capture spring floodwaters, i think now they actually grow crops in the wash i helped dam. i rode bikes around with their little kids and often out to the border itself to a hand-dug thousand-year old well that opened up underneath the ground to be able to swim in. the egyptian border guards would sit in tiny bunkers in what looked to be antique nazi helmets and try to hang out. bedouin somehow get across the border nightly, mostly smuggling cheap cigarettes for the back market. some of the wildlife is oryx (like an antelope) and ibex. the stars were amazing. i slept so well. it was 116 degrees one day but cool at night. these guys had old train cars they had fixed up to live, mine was a stock car for horses and they had a two-boxcar double wide.
dine young people are all about rap and black culture (as well as ICP/ juggaloes and black/death metal), even though you don't seem to be the hip-hop type wheat, many would welcome you. no need to date juanderlust's sugar daddy

 

[Deleted member 27861]

Definitely agree, actually funny story I was a volunteer sheepherder for a Dine family for a couple of stints. I feel like in many parts of the east coast, california, europeans pretty much did eradicate the native tribes. Like for example I lived in connecticut for a little bit and there were two "tribes" there but largely gone were their traditions and they existed mainly to run a casino.
Totally different story in the prairies etc.
Before and after I went to israel a large portion of people i talked to gave me the kneejerk reaction of "how could you" and it kind of annoyed me so i would always say my first post at them more or less about the americas.
i went there with very anti-zionist political views and left, still anti-zionist, but with a more nuanced understanding of the situation. like, for one most israelis were born there (or are immigrants from USSR countries) and could care less about zionism. or that the IDF is really an extension of the US military, fulfilling US geopolitical aims, being that most of the funding comes from america. orthodox jews cause much of the violence and hold an outsize influence as far as palestinian relations/settlements but orthodox young people are excused from military service by attending yeshivah (religious skool). also they are largely on welfare.
i spent a couple months in the tiny settlement of ezuz on the egyptian border, far from anything. my friend had a wwoof password and i worked for a family whose neighbors had gotten free employees through wwoof and though they couldn't even use a computer or speak much english, had the neighbour make them a wwoof listing. we built rock dams across a dry wash to capture spring floodwaters, i think now they actually grow crops in the wash i helped dam. i rode bikes around with their little kids and often out to the border itself to a hand-dug thousand-year old well that opened up underneath the ground to be able to swim in. the egyptian border guards would sit in tiny bunkers in what looked to be antique nazi helmets and try to hang out. bedouin somehow get across the border nightly, mostly smuggling cheap cigarettes for the back market. some of the wildlife is oryx (like an antelope) and ibex. the stars were amazing. i slept so well. it was 116 degrees one day but cool at night. these guys had old train cars they had fixed up to live, mine was a stock car for horses and they had a two-boxcar double wide.
dine young people are all about rap and black culture (as well as ICP/ juggaloes and black/death metal), even though you don't seem to be the hip-hop type wheat, many would welcome you. no need to date juanderlust's sugar daddy

I mean...I listen to metal, a little Travis Scott and Kid Cudi. I don't touch ICP, though. That's, as my mom and big sister would put it, "that crazy white people stuff."

Except I guess not, if Dine kids listen to it!

 

[Deleted member 27861]

@Wheat2020 read the wikipedia article on the Balfour Declaration - it's fairly neutral, and it gives you a decent background outline of how the state of Israel started including major factors leading up to it

Hey actually, do you think I could contact your special friend Max? I really would like to ask him what it's like over there.