Back to adventuring w/the New Orleanian gypsy

[Patrizio giovanni]

Got stuck in New York cause of covid and now I'm trying to figure out where to go for summer music and general travel epicness

 

[Grey]

I'd hate to assume race or anything but I'm just informing ppl that gypsy is a slur towards the Romani people and they've asked ppl to use nomad instead when talking about traveling and stuff

 

[Patrizio giovanni]

I'd hate to assume race or anything but I'm just informing ppl that gypsy is a slur towards the Romani people and they've asked ppl to use nomad instead when talking about traveling and stuff

I'm an ethnic rom and I'm pretty sure MY people haven't talked to you before. We (Roma) use gypsy as a starting point in terms of education. We don't prefer "nomad" We truly prefer rom, roma or romani which means the people. Thank you for the concern, but let the Rom speak for themselves.

 

[Grey]

I apologise, I've just been told by many that gypsy is a slur and to use nomad instead when talking about travelers and stuff.

 

[Patrizio giovanni]

Certain persons think they know what's best for groups assuming without investigating, calling themselves experts without ever asking or talking to actual sources. Yer all good when ya seek knowledge properly from where things originate. One of the greatest experiences of my travels has been seeking, discovering, and assimilating knowledge into wisdom and understanding different cultures and people's.

 

[Patrizio giovanni]

Certain persons think they know what's best for groups assuming without investigating, calling themselves experts without ever asking or talking to actual sources. Yer all good when ya seek knowledge properly from where things originate. One of the greatest experiences of my travels has been seeking, discovering, and assimilating knowledge into wisdom and understanding different cultures and people's.

Travel to the sources.

 

[Matt Derrick]

Not to derail this thread more than it has already, but it's always bugged me that every time someone tells me gypsy is a slur it's a white kid from the usa. my retort isn't that this is incorrect, just that the meanings of words can and do change, and that it seems like no one ever asks someone from the romani culture what their opinion is. so thank you for clarifying on this, it's enlightening

 

[TheUndeadPhoenix]

Not to derail this thread more than it has already, but it's always bugged me that every time someone tells me gypsy is a slur it's a white kid from the usa. my retort isn't that this is incorrect, just that the meanings of words can and do change, and that it seems like no one ever asks someone from the romani culture what their opinion is. so thank you for clarifying on this, it's enlightening

It is a slur. In Europe. Not in the United States though, we romanticized the word.

 

[Matt Derrick]

It is a slur. In Europe. Not in the United States though, we romanticized the word.

Ironically, you illustrated my point perfectly. Words (sometimes) change meaning.

 

[Patrizio giovanni]

Ok so let me say this: I'm part of the European romani union and the romani action network (roma humanitarian watchdog groups),and our stance on the use of the word you've already read. Please stop telling me what my people think. You do yourself a disservice by assuming what a whole ethnic community's view is.

 

[Patrizio giovanni]

Not to derail this thread more than it has already, but it's always bugged me that every time someone tells me gypsy is a slur it's a white kid from the usa. my retort isn't that this is incorrect, just that the meanings of words can and do change, and that it seems like no one ever asks someone from the romani culture what their opinion is. so thank you for clarifying on this, it's enlightening

Thanks for listening and actually understanding where I'm coming from.

 

[Deleted member 23824]

Patrizio, you know, you can educate otherwise well-meaning people, without hammering them. I know I’m never going to meet all the Romani, may never have met any, as far as,I know. But I had read twenty or more years ago that Romani, or Roma, was preferred.
But not everyone knows that, and it can be an unintentional faux pax. We know we don’t speak for an entire group.

 

[Patrizio giovanni]

It can get tedious, but you're right. I don't mean to come across as a curmudgeon.

 

[Matt Derrick]

i personally don't think you were being a curmudgeon or hammering anyone about it, just stating fact, but that's just one person's opinion.

 

[Patrizio giovanni]

i personally don't think you were being a curmudgeon or hammering anyone about it, just stating fact, but that's just one person's opinion.

I appreciate that. If you're ever in New Orleans, the first five drinks are on me. I might get buzzed enough to give ya a Real tarot reading.