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You're never ever going to convince me that calling the cops on people is more moral than lying to your boss. And the way it reads when you talk about it, it seems like you're proud of your ability to call the cops and get people arrested for sniping and digging through your dumpster.

If calling the cops was a regular part of my job, I'd be looking for another job. I had to call the cops on a guy once way back when I was a fast food manager, and I still feel guilty about it.
Maybe it's different for me, small town right? I hang out with the cops, have coffee with em at the all night gas station, debate politics... etc.. Their good guys. If I got trouble... some really drunk dude threatening me with a huge ass box cutter cause I told him to turn his music down at 2 am on a wednesday (true story)... cops are there damn fast. (seriously like 2 minutes) I do appreciate that. It's not something I'm really proud of, but earlier George was saying like... "Hey I'm a guy digging through garbage for a hamburger, what are cops gonna do to me? They don't even have time to deal with me." I can understand that in a big city but really really not the case here.

In a lot of ways the cops here are like me, small town guys, they have compassion, generally want to help ya and will if they can, but they got a job to do. giving em attitude when their doing that job isn't a good idea.

and about that "tell your boss" thing... let me put it this way... if your a new hire at my place I'm going to know pretty quick if your doing your job or not. It's WAAAAAAAAY better to be straight with me than to try and bs me.

I had a girl here for a year or so that just could not take dealing with another employee. Got so bad they weren't allowed to talk to each other and had to pass communications through me. She didn't want to quit but I made some suggestions... I got her another job at a different hotel that paid $2.00 an hour more than my hotel, had the morning shifts she wanted and could never get here, and had better benefits. We're still friends, she brings her kids over to see me.

I pretty much know the owner or manager every winery, restaurant, hotel, bike rental, ice cream shop, mechanic, and tourist focused business in the area. If your not happy at the place I manage... if your a good honest hard worker and just don't like this job, I'm happy to get you a job someplace where you will be happy.

but lie to my face, pretend to do the job your getting paid for while conning me... after I find out, after you get fired, when the new person considering hiring you calls me and says "Hey Jeff, so you didn't give this guy a recommendation letter... I'm assuming this one is a 'not eligible for re-hire' ?" you aren't getting hired in this area, good luck with your move.

That's why you should be honest with your boss... this boss anyway.
 
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If I gave you a job, that means I told 15 or 20 other people you had convinced me you would do that job better than they would.

Then it takes about 3 weeks of hard training where your getting paid to learn how to do the job but cant really work solo, then about 2 months before you actually got the job down. Thats a lot of time and money to put into somebody.

After all that Is it powertripping to want the person I hired and trained to do the job they get paid for and not to lie to me about it? Or for me to expect when I tell a stranger they gotta leave our hotel that they actually leave?

Maybe I am powertripping, I dont wanna be. Please explain that in more detail.
 
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Thank you for your detailed reply - my question was rhetorical; I grew up in Cal mom was from San Francisco dad from Santa Monica. I got a speeding ticket once in Grover Beach & had to come up and face the judge total friggin hassle. Yep, the world is changing - I'm not technically homeless at the moment and I haven't done too much dumpster diving but I hate the convention or perception that it's disagreeable somehow to witness desperate people scavenging; however, I understand your position.
I was sympathizing with bus Gypsy who doesn't seem jazzed about that aspect of her job. My final word is Count your blessings - it's good to have options
 
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I have high expectations and I will tell you quit your job if you can. I myself would not have a job that did that. Yeah that sucks dude I don't accept your apology though until you quit
Ha, I don't need your personal forgiveness, I'm making a living and I won't fault anyone for that so long as they aren't hurting others. It's easy to judge others.... I don't feel the need to be hostile at others I guess.

I worked at a rest area and I was supposed to tell people not to dig thru the trash for alluminum cans. I tried to avoid having to notice them. If they did it right in front of me, Id just tell them that I had to tell them to stop, but im about to go to the far side and wont be back for a while, so wait until im gone. Ive been on the other end of that deal too. I was living in a tent on my bike in oregon last summer, and nothing would piss me off more than some prick at the gas station who would tell me to leave everytime I stopped to check for cans. Most people were cool about it and didnt care. But every now and then, youd get some prick, whod stop everything he was doing to remind me of their company policy. Like I give a fuck, ya know? Im out here digging thru peoples trash so i can get a cheeseburger, and you think you can stop me. Hahahaha Good luck with that.
Yeah you're right except no need to be antagonistic about it.

yea thats a good idea. Theres other ways to get what you need, but I could never see what the problem was. Some guy whos by himself and not bothering anybody, trying to redeem some cans and bottles for the bottle and can tax... Whats the problem? They were going to throw it away anyways. So why not let some guy pull them out and move on with his business. I never made a mess, and id always be discrete and polite. Like I said MOST people wouldnt mind at all. Theres 3 types of people, okay. 1 is the people who dont care. 2 is the people who run you off because they collect the cans themselves. And 3 is the jackass who runs you off, because its "company policy". Its the 3rd that never made sense to me. I never gave a fuck. Id do it anyways. They'd come out chasing me, "we told you 6 times already this week! And its only Tuesday" I'd haul ass and yell back at them "Okay! Ill see you tomorrow" Calling the cops wouldnt make a difference. Id be long gone anyways.

And do I have priors? Who the fuck you think I am? Of course I got priors. What the kinda person with a clean record, is out digging thru trash cans to make a few bucks. If I didnt have a record, Id have an easy retail job, id be married with kids, driving a nice truck, and living in the suburbs. Am I wrong? How many people with clean records are walking around town with a bag full of cans and bottles, digging thru trash bins. Probably not many.
I don't have a record... it's about not getting caught.
And yeah unfortunately, some people DO leave huge messes. They'll dig out all the trash and leave it around; aty the very least, not friendly to the environment. And yeah, it grosses out peoplem who don't understand. A wise man taught me, "Don't scare the squares." It just causes trouble.

After this prick gets done chasing me out of the parking lot all week, hes cashing his check and taking his girlfriend to eat at Olive Garden. Then their going to have some fun in a warm appartment. Meanwhile after Ive collected cans all day on my 10 speed, Im going to jack off in my hammock, under a tarp, and freeze my ass off all night. So why in the does a guy like that feel the need, to try and stop me from scavenging a few bucks? I could never wrap my head around it.

It often seems like the people who live the most comfortably and have the fewest reasons to give anyone else a hard time, are the ones who do. The people who will give you a hard time and bust your balls over every stupid little thing, are usually the people who have never been thru shit and never had hard times. They're life is comfortable and easy, so they take it upon themselves to make yours as hard as possible.
So wait, is it a lifestyle choice or not? if it is, you're not really in a position to resent others. And you can't really say you know what other people are going through. You just don't know.
 
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For sure. Its hard to get mad at someone for doing their job. They gotta eat too.

On a totally different note. If you've ever collected cans to redeam the bottle tax, then you'll completely understand what Im about to say. They're job is to keep people out of the trash. Your job is to get the cans. Neither one of you is doing your job sufficiently unless your both in constant conflict with each other. Its just the nature of the beast. If I had a dollar for every time somebody ran me off the property. You wouldnt even believe it. All that means is everyone is doing their job. Its not personal, its a necessary coflict. When your broke and living out of a backpack, you wont give half a damn what the company policy is. Your gonna get those cans if you have to have to jump fences, hide in dumpsters and run like hell.

Getting in and out without being seen is the golden ticket tho. Its a victimless crime. I dont promote breaking the laws in any way, however... Reclaiming cans out of the trash is completely victimless. They were fixing to throw them away... So why shouldnt you be able to dig them out and cash them in... Im all about it, and I dont care what anybody says.

On a side note. NEVER tell ANYONE about your sweet spot...
There was a certain Hotel that Id hit every Saturday and Sunday morning about 10am. Id come from the back side, jump the fence and pull anywhere from $10-25 each saturday and each sunday. It was like the single best producing spot in town for cans and bottles. I was always super careful and I never got caught... Anyways, I hot this spot routinely for months and never had a problem. I told someone about it because they were only supposed to be in town for the weekend and was on their way out of state. Ya know, in case they needed to make a few bucks for the road. The next time I went to hit that spot, every window facing that direction had open curtains. And like 3 weeks later they put up a whole new fence that blocked that whole side of the property... So you'd have to jump 2 fences now. But after that, everytime I went there, there was people standing inside the building watching and all the blinds and curtains were open. The spot was blown. I dont know what that guy did, but after that, they were on me like stink on shit. I should have known better. Never tell anyone about your sweet spot.
 

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"Some guy whos by himself and not bothering anybody, trying to redeem some cans and bottles for the bottle and can tax... Whats the problem?" - - - "Theres 3 types of people, okay" - - - "And 3 is the jackass who runs you off, because its "company policy". Its the 3rd that never made sense to me." - - - "I never made a mess, and id always be discrete and polite."

- I can answer this one :) ... It's almost never just the 1 guy... & while you might not make a mess, chuck there just leaves the rest of the garbage strewn across the lot... & "not bothering anyone" ? How do you assume you're not? LOADS of assholes are infact BOTHERED by looking at people digging in trashes - that's literally WHY it's company policies! Because it DOES bother people. Both by witnessing the actions & by the mess frequently left behind for some other schmuck to have to attend to... Not to mention the 8 different "just 1 guy, not bothering anyone" that are all hitting the same trashes.


"I never made a mess, and id always be discrete & polite" - - - "I never gave a fuck. Id do it anyways." ((EXACTLY!)) They'd come out chasing me, "we told you 6 times already this week! And its only Tuesday" ((just 1 guy not bothering anyone))

NO part of That section is either discrete OR polite! Fuck You, your policy, your need to make your living, your property, your priorities - I'm just going to do what I want anyway.... Boundaries, dude. Boundaries. THIS is exactly WHY those policies are in place! The attitude of "fuck you, i can do what i want" is the exact problem that BOTHERS employees (who have to face it, from humbums who're often capable of being violent), it BOTHERS property/business owners (who are legally & financially on the hook for any damage to property or people &/or loss of income - frightening customers away), & it often BOTHERS customers/pedestrians as well. - Because they're scared!!

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Should you be able to dig through trashes & pick out recyclables to get money for a burger? Fuckn' totally right!! You should definitely be able to do that!!
... BUT - there's ways to do it!! & Places that don't involve "fuck you - i can do it anyway!" ... It's just like the site here... Lol, there are a million ways to get along here! & they're NOT That Hard! But, "fuck you, I'm going to do it anyway... " Doesn't go over well - & it goes over less well @ the gas station that's calling cops on ya.... & 6 times this week by Tues? Man, ur just being an ass on purpose then! Not discrete or polite... & exactly Why the actually polite guy gets run off... It feeds the problem of social disconnection vs building a sustainable bridge.... It's like blowing up a yard or a squat - RUDE ruins it for everyone!
 

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@BusGypsy - just an idea for your conscience...
I've never worked @ a hotel, but I've done security, worked fast food joints, & clerked at gas stations... All of these jobs required i "inspect the grounds" aka, make a periodic sweep of the establishment & put out of place things back in place... If your job has a similar assignment my suggestion is easy, if not, it can/could still be incorporated before shift, on lunch, &/or breaks, & after shift.
The Suggestion: pick a spot (just off property if your boss is a real jackass, or just out of the way/visuals if they're more lax) - - & "on your rounds" grab the snipes, or the half a bagel or whatever ... "Sweep up" whatever the divers are commonly diving for & deposit them @ "the spot" You select. (If its off property the boss cant reasonably say shit to you, really, if they're an ass, as noted... If they're cool, you can say hey, i curtailed the problem by putting the things here so the bums aren't roaming & upsetting the guests... Aka, you can become a solution :) )

Drop a subtle word to the scavengers you see "hey, we dump the ash trays, but there's snipes in the coffee can over by the tree... Boss says can't be (whatever) but i know how it is, so i put em there for ya, so nobody gets in shit. Thanks, have a great day!" etc.

There's all sorts of opportunity for a little private social-justiceism in work places, especially ones like hotels. :) ... If you choose to take Your time to do them :)

Hope the idea helps.
 
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@BusGypsy - just an idea for your conscience...
I've never worked @ a hotel, but I've done security, worked fast food joints, & clerked at gas stations... All of these jobs required i "inspect the grounds" aka, make a periodic sweep of the establishment & put out of place things back in place... If your job has a similar assignment my suggestion is easy, if not, it can/could still be incorporated before shift, on lunch, &/or breaks, & after shift.
The Suggestion: pick a spot (just off property if your boss is a real jackass, or just out of the way/visuals if they're more lax) - - & "on your rounds" grab the snipes, or the half a bagel or whatever ... "Sweep up" whatever the divers are commonly diving for & deposit them @ "the spot" You select. (If its off property the boss cant reasonably say shit to you, really, if they're an ass, as noted... If they're cool, you can say hey, i curtailed the problem by putting the things here so the bums aren't roaming & upsetting the guests... Aka, you can become a solution :) )

Drop a subtle word to the scavengers you see "hey, we dump the ash trays, but there's snipes in the coffee can over by the tree... Boss says can't be (whatever) but i know how it is, so i put em there for ya, so nobody gets in shit. Thanks, have a great day!" etc.

There's all sorts of opportunity for a little private social-justiceism in work places, especially ones like hotels. :) ... If you choose to take Your time to do them :)

Hope the idea helps.
Thanks. Yeah I'm not required to do that, it's another department, it doesn't get done anyway, I guess that's why we're prime sniping and diving material lol.
 

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Thanks. Yeah I'm not required to do that, it's another department, it doesn't get done anyway, I guess that's why we're prime sniping and diving material lol.
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(no human scavengers at my gas station....) i wasn't "required" to feed the too old to sell hot dogs to the local crows... But i did it anyway :) ... & funny enough, critters stopped digging in the dumpster... :)
... & knowing i feed wild scavengers (who, like humans, are going to do it anyway) one of my co-workers also took up the idea & would either feed the animals too, or set the old ones aside for me to feed on my shift. Wasn't their job either, but, the idea caught on. :)
 
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You're never ever going to convince me that calling the cops on people is more moral than lying to your boss. And the way it reads when you talk about it, it seems like you're proud of your ability to call the cops and get people arrested for sniping and digging through your dumpster.

If calling the cops was a regular part of my job, I'd be looking for another job. I had to call the cops on a guy once way back when I was a fast food manager, and I still feel guilty about it.
I don't think he sounds proud of calling the cops, just saying if somebody is a dick about stuff or wants to hassle, he WILL call the cops. Fwiw I would too.
 
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You're willing to subject somebody to state violence for being a dick?
No. And I HATE having to call the cops... but sometimes I have to.
If you refuse to leave, it is private property... I have to call the cops.

Had an individual come in to my hotel recently, when they couldn't provide payment for a room they refused to leave. They sat down, starting chugging a bottle of liquor, and smoking in the lobby and blowing it IN LITTLE KID'S FACES I kid you not. Yeah, had to call the cops.
Or had a guy flash my coworker and start jabbering about having sex with dogs.... yeah, had to call the cops.
 

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Its depressing to see someone's life falling apart to the point that they're half nude passing out drunk in the lobby, but I'm not a social worker, this isnt a charity. Kick rocks.
 
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Its depressing to see someone's life falling apart to the point that they're half nude passing out drunk in the lobby, but I'm not a social worker, this isnt a charity. Kick rocks.
Right-o. I don't bother snipers and divers, and if you can be discreet when you slip in the breakfast room you won't be bothered. but like other hotels, we do occasionally get the crazy screaming incoherent combative vagrants and they gotta go.
 

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Yeah there's a lot of wiggle room, dont care if someone asks a couple of people for change outside as long as they dont loiter for more than a few minutes, dumpster dive all you want if you dont make a mess, have a party in there for all I care.
 

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