Why I hate Conservatism and good reasons to destroy it.

[Mankini]

Conservatism in essence is fear of change. Fear. You can base everything conservatives do on that one factor. They will not BASE jump. They will not try ethnic foods. They will not take lsd or ecstasy. They will not do anything thats even vaguely out of their comfort zone. And, they disapprove when adventurous people do adventurous things.

Also, Conservatives don't like anything that is different. They will not live in San Fran. Theres too many gays there! They want to live in Texas.

They do not want to eat at the newest Vietnamese restaurant, drink Belgian ales, or shop at City Lights Bookstore. They want to read Readers Digest or watch crappy reruns or Jon Wayne movies while loafing on a couch, somewhere in Texas, drinking sweet tea or Coors Light; eating microwave mashed potatos and boiled cabbage.

I recommend North Beach San Fran. I recommend anything French: conservatives hate the French.
I recommend Allan Ginsberg's "America". He explains perfectly in that poem everything that is right about non-conservatism; and everything that is wrong with conservatism.

 

[OldJD]

Conservatism in essence is fear of change. Fear. You can base everything conservatives do on that one factor. They will not BASE jump. They will not try ethnic foods. They will not take lsd or ecstasy. They will not do anything thats even vaguely out of their comfort zone. And, they disapprove when adventurous people do adventurous things.

Voodoo I like you. Life is a journey. I was a socialist. I was a communist. I was a liberal. I was a conservative. Today, I am a libertarian bordering on an anarchist. I believe in minimal government which stops me from being a.complete anarchist. All politicl ideolgies use fear.

My only fear is others imposing their will upon me as I make my way through lifes journeys. I won't harm others physically and I try my best not to harm others emotionally. That is my credo.

 

[Mankini]

Surfers have a thing they call the Green Room. Its when you achieve enlightenment in the waves. I care little for politics, but my political philosophy has much in common with surfing. Surfers hate it when people encroach on their turf. Surfers like solitude, but not too much. Surfers want peace and tranquility, but they also like to challenge themselves. I like people but ''good fences make good neighbors''...I appreciate services and infrastructure and believe that the Bourgeois should be cultivated like Honey Aphids, to benefit the hive.

 

[OldJD]

Surfers have a thing they call the Green Room. Its when you achieve enlightenment in the waves. I care little for politics, but my political philosophy has much in common with surfing. Surfers hate it when people encroach on their turf. Surfers like solitude, but not too much. Surfers want peace and tranquility, but they also like to challenge themselves. I like people but ''good fences make good neighbors''...I appreciate services and infrastructure and believe that the Bourgeois should be cultivated like Honey Aphids, to benefit the hive.

Don't you find that a little hypicritical? Shouldn't everyone benefit the hive? I think there should be many hives, each with their own set of rules for their own hive. My hive would be the one with the fewest rules. I have no desire to impose my values on others, expecting the same from others. Btw, I find this a very interesting conversation.

 

[Mankini]

Well, Look at what ants do. They work very hard, keep the hive, or colony running smoothly. But at the same time they groom, feed, care for, and cultivate the aphids, so its a win/win for everybody. The aphids need to be shielded from predators; the ants need a constant source of honey!

The Soviets were stupid because rather than care for their aphids and maximize their efficiency, they killed all their aphids and thus forced the ants themselves to do all the work.

Under US conditions, the aphids have usurped control from the ants and thus reversed the natural order of things.

 

[OldJD]

Well, Look at what ants do. They work very hard, keep the hive, or colony running smoothly. But at the same time they groom, feed, care for, and cultivate the aphids, so its a win/win for everybody. The aphids need to be shielded from predators; the ants need a constant source of honey!

The Soviets were stupid because rather than care for their aphids and maximize their efficiency, they killed all their aphids and thus forced the ants themselves to do all the work.

Ok, so what.do you think about the Walmart's hive or General Electric's hive? There are many hives. The hives are based on personal/collective beliefs. I don't want a queen ant telling me what to do. I want to makr the choice myself. I also know my choices will.change over time. I want the freedom to change my mind based on my experiences and understanding of what works and doesn't work. At the same time I am willing to let others explore their beliefs as long as their beliefs do not prohbit mine.

 

[Mankini]

Yeah I agree with you totally. But I also believe that the Bourgeois' revenue producing power can be harnessed, so that their efforts benefit the masses...The Bourgeois cry about getting taxed. But if they are made to understand that they have no other options than to subsidize society, then we can build social welfare systems, etc. Yes, it's socialism. But I cant think of anything better.

It aint gonna happen here. If you want a great welfare system you'd have to live in Belgium or Norway. If you like hands-off libertarianism, I guess there are such places too.

Is it hypocritical to create one set of standards for the Proletariat and another, completely different one for the Bourgeois? The Cubans screwed up and allowed most of their Bourgeois to flee in the 50s. Ya gotta keep em around! Not necessarily let em run around doing whatever they want, but if they all split how are you supposed to tax their pantz off?

The French screwed up in the 1790s because while they effectively removed the power structure, they allowed it, again, to escape and reconsolidate. Then in 1870 they tried again and were slaughtered. Ya gotta be careful with em. They'll come back and bite you in the ass if you don't sanction them with a firm hand.