The progressive movement and the hypocrisy of our tavern culture

[hazeinmybong]

Wisconsin is said to have a "Tavern Culture" because we brew so much beer. There are tons of neighborhood bars in larger communities and every little town has a bar. Wisconsin is actually the birthplace of the progressive movement which is tantamount to any discussion of social inclusion in a more scientific government. The "Tavern League" is a special interest group in Wisconsin politics who has raised more than $2m for midterm elections here to produce laws that are favorable to bars and taverns. Wisconsin is at the state level dominated by conservative politicians representative of a largely conservative base. In Indiana, Mike Pence as governor signed into law the "Religious Freedom Act" which would allow businesses to refuse service to gay people. In Wisconsin, most bars have had signs hanging in them for years that say, "We Reserve the Right to Refuse Service to Anyone." This can be interpreted as to not be exclusive of any particular class of people, but it is an indication of exclusive behavior, and might encourage exclusive behavior in patrons and bartenders. Creating a law to force taverns to remove those signs would be more difficult because that would appear to be protected by the first amendment, it is not even really an unfair policy, but we are talking about the wall hangings in a place where Wisconsinites spend more time than they do in church. Without encouraging taverns to be inclusive, I think we can encourage them to not be exclusive and to be professional so that they can make money. Anyway, you are going to sit there for a couple hours and drink beer. Maybe your neighborhood bar has that sign. Bring it up. Some bars will probably just be like, "Yeah, you know what? I will take it down."

P.S. If I were Ted Cruz, I would sue Al Franken. I do admire Al Franken, and appreciate his service while in office. He did the right thing and I wish him the best.

 

[Coywolf]

Huh, I'm not sure what your view of this situation is by this thread?

You are against the "right to refuse service to anyone" policies?

My stance on this issue is, that I believe in our society, businesses should have the right to refuse service to anyone. Its a private buisness, and i dont think it is the right of the federal government to force them to be inclusive.

But before all you SJWs start rating my post stupid, let me explain.

Anyone who's knows anything about capitalism, knows that a business's model must try to be as appealing as it can to as many people as possible to .maximize sucess..

Now, that isint necessarily true all the time, look at the gun industry, the churches, ect.

However, when it comes down to an establishment like a restaurant, a bar, or another public house type Buisness, if the owners are smart enough to see the growing trends of equality in this country, they will not enact such ridiculous biases against LGBTQ and POC. Its bad buisness. And it will eventually sink the businesses that do practice these biases.

If a bar is run by a right wing religious nutjob, I do believe it is her/his right to refuse service to anyone, even if that be LGBTQ or people of certain backgrounds. Its not right, but it IS that Buisness owners right, and the FED stepping in and taking that away would be a serious overreach in my opinion. It would open up the door to anti Buisness rights lawsuits from all sides.

How would the other side like it if they owned a buisness, and a obviously racist sexist douche came in, but you couldnt refuse him service because the federal government told you you couldnt?

Now, the most important part of this conversation.

YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BE A PATRON OF THESE BUISNESSES.

Fuck them! Don't give them your Buisness, boycott them! It's not there is only one establishment you can frequent (in most places, smaller towns are kinda fucked in that regard)

I do believe this to be the point here. Society is changing rapidly, and as Bob Dylan said "You better start swimmin' or you will sink like a stone..."

And this rings very true to businesses who support this type of BS. Don't go to them, and boycott them. Or mention it to the Owner, like the OP said.

 

[roughdraft]

i think the 'right to refuse service' is genius.

especially when say...the justice system fails and allows a pedo or rapist to live free....yeah a business can ban them and probably the decent people of <town-city-neighborhood> will respect that

as well say someone is wasted and/or acting crazy, fuckin up the vibe. the business owner can basically force them to leave WITHOUT police or violent intervention...in theory

an interesting topic

i honestly thought by the title it'd be a critique of so called progressive people drinking themselves though

 

[hazeinmybong]

That is why having a sign that is snarky and about inclusion is annoying. The discussion becomes about the moral good of free speech by praising exclusive behavior and I think feminists would agree that it is not funny. I hate signs.

 

[Coywolf]

I cannot understand your last comment, like at all.

Are you saying you are for, or against the right to refuse service? I can't seem to understand your side of this issue.

 

[hazeinmybong]

I don't like the sign and would not hang one in my bar. If we are all sitting in a bar being badasses because we are in a badass biker gang and someone comes in who is flamboyant, we don't need a sign to discriminate against him for being gay. Personally, I would be pissed if that guy went home with a guy I want to fuck. I don't spend money in bars just so people I want to fuck get to fuck other people. We exist in a capitalistic society.

Bars are just a clever way to get your friends to pay to drink with you.

 

[hazeinmybong]

Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMyZrTltZgg

 

[hazeinmybong]

Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wd1bsxWeM6Q

 

[hazeinmybong]

Every neighborhood in La Crosse, WI is a nice neighborhood.

 

[Coywolf]

I don't like the sign and would not hang one in my bar. If we are all sitting in a bar being badasses because we are in a badass biker gang and someone comes in who is flamboyant, we don't need a sign to discriminate against him for being gay. Personally, I would be pissed if that guy went home with a guy I want to fuck. I don't spend money in bars just so people I want to fuck get to fuck other people. We exist in a capitalistic society.

Bars are just a clever way to get your friends to pay to drink with you.

Every neighborhood in La Crosse, WI is a nice neighborhood.

....what in the actual fuck are you talking About?

How would a "we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone" sign assist bad ass bikers in discrimination?

That sign doesn't JUST create discrimination, it also helps Buisness owners clear our assholes or allow them to not serve obviously intoxicated patrons.

Also, are you a GAY bad ass biker in that gang? Because if the gay guy went home with a guy you wanted to fuck, that you were also discriminating against, that would probably make you a very confused individual....

Also, what the he'll is up with that second to last statement?

You just want to fuck everyone in the bar, and get pissed if anyone goes home with anyone else? That's some pretty misplaced thinking.

Also, that's not the only reason for a bar. I use them to get drunk.

But yes, it is a money making scheme. It's way cheaper to meet some people on the street, go to the corner store, and find an alley.

 

[hazeinmybong]

Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIue359_ZN4​

 

[hazeinmybong]

Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sir53cRkFHw​

 

[hazeinmybong]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zipf's_law
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_acquisition
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projective_identification

 

[hazeinmybong]

Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5e5UsPm5YQ​

 

[hazeinmybong]

Coywolf, do you identify as a progressive?

I am just trying to classify the sign as "exclusive" culturally. It does not qualify as "not-exclusive" to me.

 

[hazeinmybong]

Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2bDEreEbPE​

 

[hazeinmybong]

http://www.identitytheory.com/lauryn-hill-unplugged/

I love Lauryn Hill, but I am Mr. Intentional.

 

[Coywolf]

See, that's my point.

It can be exclusive culturally. That's the right of the buisness owner. But not every Buisness owner uses it in that way.

And no, I don't consider myself a progressive. I'm a leftist, sure, but there are a shit load of progressive-specific ideals that border on socialism which I do not agree with.

I do have a conservative side. Just not the side that votes for Trump, hates LGBTQ, embraces capitalism, and perpetuates homelessness.

It's more of the personal responsibility, not forcing everyone to be equal in every way, gun rights, get the government out of my life sort of conservative side.

 

[Coywolf]

Also, are you a SpamBot?

Because all of these random ass videos you are posting makes you look like one.

 

[Deleted member 125]

ok so um @hazeinmybong ive warned you before about posting spam. even if it is in a thread you created. if you continue to post random videos im going to give you another point which is going to mute yer account for 30 days. stop with the spam.