Starting a Nation

[NocturnalJoe]

Have studyed the law a lot and know international law and the law of nations. Will be going to the land mass known as Oregon, north of Medford, lawfully claim some land and start a nation ( country ). If anyone is interested or would like to know more, please let me know.

 

[West]

I'd like to know more! I read a thread by mmmichael I think, talking about the possibility of building an StP waystation by purchasing a private island, and I figured why not form a wanderpunk/traveler nation? Would you be able to do this on the mainland? Would local/federal authorities recognize it as a nationality?

 

[NocturnalJoe]

From what I know about the law, and from some personal experience. Yes its possible if you have ( claim ) some land and serval people involved. One can claim abandoned land ( like BLM land ) by sending out public notices, after at least 3 notices, it becomes yours via silence acquenience ( bad spelling sorry ). The u.s. government foes honor and respects it as long as its done right, and within the law. However it does mean giving up your citizenship to the United States.

 

[West]

Has this ever happened? Can someone visit the mini-nation without revoking their US citizenship? There are some serious requirements involved are there not?

 

[NocturnalJoe]

Yes its been done before. Yes you can visit without giving up your citizenship just like any other country. There is the law of nations book, and a video talking about it on one of my websites www.rawtube.info

 

[West]

Awesome! Sorry for asking stupid questions haha I'm just personally interested! Good luck and keep us posted

 

[NocturnalJoe]

Haha the only stupid question is one that's not asked. Have really been getting into this, and will start teaching others.

 

[Traveler]

The idea of claiming land for something like this is really cool but surely the US has strong feelings about this?

 

[NocturnalJoe]

The US does, but they also do fallow international law. Also according to artical 1, section 8, clause 17 of the constitution they are limited to land of 10 square miles of Washington DC.

 

[Traveler]

So what's the process like for legally claiming land to form a separate nation?

 

[NocturnalJoe]

Umm the basics of it would be to find some abandoned land, get as much info on the land as possible like GPS coordinates, ect and post a public notice of abandoned land, asking anyone who owns the land to come forward with proof of ownership. If after 3 public notices no one comes forward as the owner, you can then issue a writ of seizure and adoial ownership.

 

[Traveler]

What's the time span requirement for the notices?

 

[NocturnalJoe]

Umm at least 14 days I believe, but 30 days would be better in my opinion. That way you give them time to respond back to you.

 

[Traveler]

And where does the notice get displayed? The newspaper?

 

[NocturnalJoe]

Any public outlet works, newspaper, courthouse bullition board, ect. If its listed as being owned by the BLM or something like that, they never answer. Even sending a letter to the registered owner via certified mail works.

 

[Thrasymachus]

You don't build a community, a tribe or a nation, either you are born into one or you aren't. So many people have failed with so many different communes and intentional communities using every permutation possible.

 

[Traveler]

You don't build a community, a tribe or a nation, either you are born into one or you aren't. So many people have failed with so many different communes and intentional communities using every permutation possible.

I don't know, this one looks pretty successful. http://mw.micronation.org/wiki/Woodland_Patchwork

 

[Thrasymachus]

Uhhh...... NNNNNNOOOOOOOO!!!!!
From the very source you gave:

Woodland Patchwork in Japan

Population 5

... Founded on the Japanese archipelago, The Patch declared independence from Japan on October 23rd, 2013. ...

Woodland Patchwork is united by 7 counties that each have a form of autonomy. The leader or leaders of a Country are the Count Chiefs. Count Chiefs form the house of Counts in the Patchwork government. ...

It has barely been around for months, it has huge sprawling territory but a puny population of five according to the very source you gave. It definitely looks like a project that will never amount to much besides updating some wikis with contact info that no-one will be able to reach like almost all such projects.

 

[NocturnalJoe]

If a nation could only exist by being born there, then the U.S. would have never came to be.

 

[West]

Doesn't mean it can't be done... there are a number of successful communes/"micronations" worldwide. You're right, it's statistically unlikely but maybe you should say that instead of saying it "can't happen"