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Lots of people feel the need to belong to a group, or a need to identify with a group. It kinda gives one a since of a place in a big world. It could make one feel a little less lonely. And hey, a ton of instant friends! That's hard to not jump into. Is there anything wrong with doing that? I'd say no, (cause saying human behaviour is wrong is kinda silly :)).

Intoxication, violence, raping the planet and fucking as much as you can is all human behavior that we as a species have been engaging in since ancient times. So you're saying its all good to run with the herd and forsake your individuality, but other aspects of "human behavior" that are know to boost dopamine are somehow taboo. Fuck man, thats the same shit they preach in church. Think for yourself, have fun, you only live once.
 

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eh, the whole "food is a drug" thing goes back to what they taught me in high school and I see why its a little extreme. However, high cholesterol was responsible for 1 in 5 american deaths last year so I don't think its took much of a strech.

Food isn't a drug, but the shit they sell in stores that passes for food is full of drugs. Artificial sugar is a known addictive, mind altering substance. So, in a sense you are right, but its kind of like smoking crack and deciding baking soda is what messed you up.


There's a lot to say for going sXe, as the saying goes "Opium is the opiate of the masses". But, as has been stated many times, moderation. Despite the fact the uppity fucks use the one quote "Do you do drugs or do drugs do you?" as an attack on any drug use, its still a good question to ask yourself.
 

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haha, sorry that wasn't very clear of me. I was trying to make the dude feel good about joining a group like that. I'm actually quite neurotic about people joining groups cause I've never been for it. (I tried to make that more clear where I stand in the last half of that post.) I'm glad you said something I really don't want anyone to think that I would pro-sheep.
 
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I am straight edge. Its a personal choice. I don't give a fuck if you drink or smoke or anything. Everyone should just do whatever the fuck they feel like if ya ask me.
 

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i always thought the edge was against "casual" sex what ever that may mean to you
i used to get buck nasty all of the time but i quit
and now life is very different
i just think its all perception
but it is all really up to you
dont live by the edge because its around you
dont refuse the edge because everyone you know
does drugs remamber that it is your life
and your choice
you have to find acceptance within yourself
and however you do that
is your decision
think for yourself walk the line
and remember that whatever labels
you stick yourself from business man to hobo
will always carry a stigma
just be happy with waht you choose
and life will be easier
hope i was some help
CHEERS
no beers i guess
but
CHEERS
 
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moderation in everything, everything in moderation is what my moms used to say.

lol my mom still says that
 

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Haha I once did the whole sxe thing when I was like 16. The thing is, I didn't drink, smoke, or do drugs anway! It was just the scenester thing to do. How sxe became an emo trend I will never know, but it sure was for awhile in pdx.

One problem I have with the movement is that I can't identify whatsoever with its roots. Man, everyone talks about these NY boys' crews and whatnot, but I can't help but thinking the same thing every time I hear about them. "What a bunch of tools." Yes, I would get my ass kicked for saying that around the wrong people, and that further illustrates my point. Most of the hardcore punx from that era were assholes. Just watch some live Black Flag videos if you need proof. Know why Henry Rollins is so fucking ripped? Because he had to be. Because at every show there were people in the audience wanting to kick his ass for changing the music. I really don't have much admiration at all for American hardcore punk in the 80s. Lots of great bands, but a terrible fan base.

That doesn't really pertain to sxe as it is now, but I think it is relevant. Why would I want to associate myself with that shit? If you want to, go for it. Just be aware that many people still think of those people when you say straightedge.

I would say some things in moderation rather than all. Certain drugs are just bad news. If when you shoot up dope, you think "I will maintain control", you are seriously misguided my friend. Also, what about medication? I can tell you right now that I wouldn't be anything that I am now without adderall. Sad? Not really. The stuff helps me focus, and it gives me the drive to do what I want, and that is what it is intended for.

One last point before this gets too long. There are plenty of things defined as the absence of something else. Pacifism, anti-racism, primitivism, etc. I do think it is silly to define vegetarianism or veganism like that though. I am not a vegetarian because I do not eat meat. I am a vegetarian because I believe in a utilitarian concept of equality in which I give ALL organisms equal consideration of interest. The fact that I do not eat meat stems from the fact that by eating meat I cause more suffering than by not eating meat. I am not a "vegan" because I would cause more suffering by being a vegan than by not being a vegan, because I do not have the means to obtain B-12 supplements, eat all fresh-grown organic food, and own nothing but animal-product free products. I would suffer more because of deficiencies related to not being able to afford B-12 supplements and other such things. Because humans possess self-awareness (including that of death), abstract thought, and other things associated with "intelligence", my suffering (by dying if I didn't take B-12 and KNOWING that I was going to die) would be worse than that of the animals that are harmed by "nonvegan" action.

Now if these resources become available to me, then it would be unethical for me NOT to be a vegan.

That is why I am a vegetarian- not because of a lack of something, but because I DO have ethical principles.
 
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I really don't like putting labels onto lifestyles. No problem with a sober, intoxicant free lifestyle - your choice, but calling it 'straight edge' irks me. Seriously, you don't need a subculture to decide what's good for you.

Otherwise I'm on the some-things-are-just-downright-stupid-and-many-things-in-moderation-are-a-ok bandwagon.

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OH WOW. This is an old topic. Didn't realize. Apologies for the thread necromancy!
Still settling in here and figuring out the nuances of this forum. Thank you for your patience!
 

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even if i didn't do drugs or drink and smoke and eat meat, i would never call myself "straight edge". it's stupid. it would just be me doing what i do.







ayahuasca.
 

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I have yet to do any drugs so when SxE was introduced to me i was like yah i guess i am and i initially took pride in it to add some identity to myself and what not. I didnt really like the term because I didnt wanna be associated with all the macho douchebags wearing gym shorts and terror tshirts but at the same time when I did wear my X's i did so because I wanted other kids to know its ok NOT to do drugs.

I hate when people ask me why Im sXe or Drug free well in that wtf are you doing with your life tone. My re3sponse as of now is somehwere along the lines of well i didnt do it and still dont why did you start doing it?

I hate everything that drugs have become in our culture to me not doing drugs is like not listening to the radio Im tired of all the played out bullshit and I can be doing something much more productive. I dont think drugs are bad but I feel that in order to do them pople should have enough self awareness to ask themselves what is it i lack that this is producing? In the end thats what drugs tend to be a replacement for something you lack and once you figure that out maybe you'll find some more productive means of attaining whatever it is you lack yourself and not just by surpressing your central nervous system or tricking some neurotransmitters in your brain.
 

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I searched for a sxe thread, and found it.

I was straight edge for about 3 years, by personal choice. I never associated with straightedge scene kids of any sort. I just was tired of feeling like I had to have a constant stock of booze to fit into the middle class norms. Sounds ironic, but it's true. Even the Christian friends I have drink, and get a little cock-eyed that I would choose not to at a house party. Most of them (largely hipsters) don't really care and are happy to overlook that fact.

I have noticed that punks or travelers are a bit wierded out that I didn't want a cigarette, some pot or a drink. One time I was even asked/told "What kind of traveler doesn't drink?" Them kids ended up being pretty nice, but it's an obstacle I have to face. I have come to understand that a lot of them kids conjur up images of jerk asshole sxe kids who will beat them up under the bridge. that's dumb, and something that I wouldn't want to associate with.

On the other hand, when you have any ideals that distinguish you a bit from the norm, identity is a temtping think to take on. I think it can be a good or bad thing. I found it helped me hold myself accountable. If people knew I was the soberist guy at any party, they'd stopped asking me why I'm drinking a soda or brough a fruit juice to the part. It can also be annoying if it strictly defines who you will hang out with -- the in-group out-group dynamic leads to a lot of violence and aggression in the world.

Anyways, my drug-free stint was a temporary experiment mostly. I just felt like I could save a lot of money spent on unnecessary consumption that I didn't notice as contributing to a better life. And even when people were kind enough to offer me a beer, I knew that I would not have a beer on hand to reciprocate with later. And I didn't want to be a beer drain on other people. That's annoying. I honestly don't like it that much to pay what it costs. Also, despite the relationships and and good times that can and have been had during the consumption of alcohol, I don't see where in our history the consumption of alcohol has been a particularly good development. Someone mentioned they drank because they realized people everywhere in history have always drank. I guess if you start by idealizing primitive people entirely, and work outward from there, their consumption of alcohol seems ideal. But there's no reason to think it was entirely a good thing for them. Just like war and violence. Considering that FASD and effects in children were only discovered in the last decade or two, imagine how many children were messed up by drinking. And I have 3 adopted/foster nephews/niece that have FASD and daily struggles as a result, so I've thought more than once or twice about the overall contribution of alcohol to life on planet earth. So I'm reacting to the addicted over-consuming cases...true. But for those who drink relatively little, if alcohol had never existed, how do you figure our existence would be any less enjoyable? I'm thinking if anything, we'd have been forced to deal with out issues. A good thing. Now, that said, remember that it was a personal choice. In a dry town holding referendums for-or-against the sale of alcohol at all, it was my non-statist vote against alcohol. I have no problems with people who drink or do a few drugs, I just prefer to hang out with people who can open up and have a good conversation while sober.

After a pretty awesome 3 years of no drinky, I decided to allow myself some moderate alcohol since January 1st this year. It's been ok. I've table scored a lot of free wine from various event, got drunk once, decided to tone it down last night a bit at a wedding. Though I enjoy the freedom I give myself to have some drinks when they're completely free without strings attached, I find myself actually paying $3.25 for a tall can of the cheapest thing at the vendor. Honestly, I wish i would have kept that for something else. Maybe give it to an immigrant mother who needs to provide for her children or something. OR use it towards my next adventure or buying a fixed blade knife or whatever...save it so I have to spend 1/3 of an hour less working to get through school. Ultimately I guess I have different priorities. Whatever. It's been good to remind myself what alcohol is like and the pros and cons, etc. At this point, I'd say I will gradually lose interest in alcohol again. Or at least stick to drinking whatever I brew up myself.

Sorry, this ended up being pretty reflective. Take what you can from it. I can relate a lot to the original poster and xbocax. Pretty good dicussion here too, save for the string of generic "don't be self-righteous, just use moderation" posts that really aren't saying anything.
 

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Ohhh cool to see this discussion going on!

Well I don't call myself SXE - But technically I pretty much am and others just assume I am.
I don't drink , smoke, am vegan/veggie.
I do use cannabis as herbal medicine and NOT as recreation.

It makes me sad that sooooooooooooooooo many travellers, train hoppers etc
are so fucking wasted, wasters, scum fucks.............
And that those of us who are sober/clean are treated generally like freaks........

Anyway

The straight edge thing was a REALLLLLLY good idea for the Punk community
at first (early 1980's)- that got way outta control:
Straight edge gangs now beating people up ??? WTF ?????????

I remember being one of the very lucky first Punks in LA to get my little hands on THE
first batch of Minor Threat singles to arrive in LA,
that got handed out free at a punk show in LA (hand printed, hand folded, hand glued, red paper cover - I'm old)
It was awesome and BLEW MY MIND what they were singing about!

Wow - Punks trying to be POSITIVE and NOT self destructive & negative - OMFG !!

But then it got crazy - no nothing , no sex even - not even positive healthy sex..............
The SXE'rs started beating folks up instead of trying to HELP our addicted friends.....

Anyway that's my 'historical' experience of the birth of SXE.....

I agree that ANYTHING - ANYTHING - ANYTHING can be addictive.
Not just drugs, sex.....

Addictions keep us WILLING SLAVES. 'They' have us just where 'They' want us.
Addicted goons.
 

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I don't drink, just because I've had bad experiences with drinking, and never really found a taste for alcohol. I do smoke weed sometimes, but never because I don't think my body is enough, because I want to enhance my body and feelings for a short time. That said, if you don't want to smoke/drink, fine by me, as long as you're not annoying about it.
 

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I'm definitely not straightedge but totally understand and support those who are as long as they're not dicks about it. I don't smoke cigs but I do smoke weed about once a week and drink a couple times a month.

I used to smoke weed every day but cut back because it was causing a lot of problems in my life. I would get gnarly bronchitis and even though I cut back I still feel like my short-term memory has deteriorated permanently. It also took up a lot of my time and money and made me way less motivated to do the shit I needed to do. After getting stoned daily kept me from graduating high school a semester early, I knew I needed to cut back. While it's definitely better than a lot of other recreational drugs and has a lot of medical benefits, I don't think that weed is as harmless as a lot of people like to claim it is. Maybe smoking daily helps other people but I felt that it wasn't worth all the consequences it had on my life.

I go to parties and get drunk a couple times a month but never have gotten blackout drunk. I'm currently on some meds that get absorbed by my liver which makes my tolerance to alcohol extremely low. I once got so drunk that I had to be escorted to a friend's house to crash there. Even though I've seen most of my friends get that drunk, it was still a shitty and somewhat humiliating experience for me. Since then, I've learned to be a lot more careful with drinking.

I have never used any drugs recreationally besides alcohol and marijuana and probably never will. As I mentioned, I'm on some meds and don't know how they would react with other drugs. Before I started drinking and smoking weed I consulted with my doctor to make sure it was OK and was told that both were OK in moderation.

I've recently seen a lot of kids my age getting into synthetic "research chemicals" which really scares me. They have names like 25-I and 2CB but you never know what's really in that powder or capsule. I know some pretty reckless people who will take anything they can get their hands on but I also know people who are smart about it. If you do your research, know what you're taking and how it affects your body, and understand the risk you're taking, then I have no objection to people trying certain drugs.

Just my two cents. I think this is something that doesn't really get talked about enough and I'm glad we're discussing it here.
 
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