Scientologists Do Not Fuck Around

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Exile said:

dude, that is not only ridiculous, but just plain fucked up. god i hate scientology. i mean, for christ's sake (pun intended) they're building a fucking base with a god damn airstrip:

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all praise lieology
keep consuming in ignorant bliss till the fuckin planet explodes...
hypocritical waste of life...
imagine.. how many fuckin scientology books are printed
how many fuckin trees are pointlessly slaughted for those damn books...

THEN PEOPLE BELIEVE THEM

hahahha

as long as there is religion there will be war..
fuck all of it in its child molesting crusty butthole sludge spinless blobs that roll around

sorry iv just seen so many people consumed by religion that i do not agree on any

well maybe fuck all but

ilialilia shatan
 
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Recently I was reading a book on cults in modern america recently, and the part on Scientologists (A whopping three chapters) had some frightening things. I guess a lot of employers for big businesses and such will send their employees to workshops to boost employee moral, and Scientologists own a bunch of these workshop/camp/resort things and use them as a means of conversion.

my friend went to rehab out in california and it was somewhere around 25,000 dollars and the thing was run by scientologists. they didn't shove scientology down her throat in a direct way, but everything they taught her were scientologist principles. super fucked up hey? I guess if you do research on the program you find out its a huge scam for scientology. quite a shame, really.

I quit talking shit on Christianity as much as I use to when I met christian anarchists who are consistently the friendliest, most no-bullshit crust punks I've ever met in my life. And then there's the Zapatistas, who use liberation theology, which is condemned by the pope and the catholic church, as a means of ending a lot of oppression. I am by no means a christian, but its not *totally* evil.
 

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Hahah I remember they set up this giant tent in the center of my city and they were passing out all this like free lit.......the first like 100 pages was how to be happy.....then it lead into how scientology is happiness. :lol:
 
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Recently I was walking through Times Square with my best friend on our way towards Penn Station, to catch the next train back to Jersey, and we passed these tables set up on the sidewalk. On top of the table, I saw a bunch of books displayed, emblazoned with the title "Dionetics".

"Dude!!" I hissed, slapping her arm, "Scientologists! Let's go take that stress test and talk to them."
She paused and gave me an "I-really-don't-want-to" look. I dragged her over and we sat in separate chairs as young fanatics in suits with otherwise bright futures hooked us up to machines that looked like they were made by third graders and coated in silver plastic paint. I was told to hold lightly onto an aluminum cylinder that, when I sqeezed slightly, made the needles on said machine jump. My fanatic began to ask me questions.
"So," he said, "tell me about yourself."
"Well...(about me)"
"What's your family like? Do you get along with your mother?"
I began to think about the last conversation I had had with her, about something or other she wanted me to do, or I needed to do, and the needle on the machine began moving slightly into the "danger, I'm stressed" zone.
"Ahhhh," he said all-knowingly, "does your mother make you stressed out?"
"Unlike any other mother in the country, yes, mine makes me anxious sometimes."

We plunged into a twenty second conversation about what she does to make me stressed, and the things in life in general which get to me (which get to all people) concerning the mundane trivialities we fill our days with because we insist on continuing life the next day in a mildly comfortable fashion. At the end of this, he takes the cylinder out of my hand and says,
"Look I think that you're pretty stressed out, and that's normal. But (he lifts up a heavy $45.00 copy of Dionetics) have you ever heard of this book called Dionetics?"
I nodded and smiled slightly in a playful nonbeliever way. He continued, non phased,
"Well, this was written by a man named Elron Hubbard, and it deals with the daily stresses of life and ways to cope with that stress."
"Oh yeah," I said as though I had heard a story about the book fleetingly on the news one night, "isn't this the text that Scientologists use in their religion?" His smile faltered.
"Well, Scientology isn't really a religion, it's more of a -- a --"
" -- philosophy -- "
"Yes, exactly, a philosophy. We don't ask you to believe in a higher power, and we don't have prayers. This is just a way to live your life, and a guide to do that without stress."
I eventually shook off the sales pitches he was aiming at my wallet and told him that there was no way I was going to be purchasing the book, but that I would very much like to read through it while I was there. He gave me a card with directions to the Church of Scientology on 48th street, and I didn't mention the fact that the word "Church" was included.
From behind, I heard a debate gaining in intensity between my best friend (a cognitive science graduate from Vassar College) and her fanatic in pinstripes, concerning how it is impossible for her to blindly believe in anything without having any information to suggest that it might hold water. It took me about ten mintues to drag her away from the table I had to intially drag her up to, and we parted ways.

The point of the story is, Scientology preys on the weak minded and the generous, and that is dangerous, because if the basis of the religion (at least how it is presented) is a philosphy on how to live stress-free, that is enticing to many an individual who has been let down in their dreams and is slowly succombing to the woes of everyday life. So keep your minds strong and stay aware, because Scientologists can make their religion sound like a philosphy all they want, but bottom line, its an ever growing mob of ridiculousness and it has already infiltrated at least one branch of the government.

Sorry for the long-windedness, but I enjoyed writing that.
 

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Beck a scientologist?! I thought itd be cool to hang out with him but not if hes going to try and brainwash me!.......Anyway, from what I've gathered so far is that Scientology was written by a sci-fi author about how the aliens have/will infultrate earth? Yet they say its a way of life and helps releive stress.....Hmmm. So for the sake of conversation and to carry on, just what is scientology.
 
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"Scientology" comes from latin derivations meaning "the study of truth". I just realized how redundant that sounds. Anyway, the philosophy of scientology suggests that man is an immortal, divine being capable of manifesting anything and everything (positive or negative) in his or her own life. However, certain stress triggers (everyday trivialities) stunt the growth and negate the true power of man because Earth is a planet that works against the being of man and not with him. Now, the actual story of scientology includes (it sounds like a science fiction novel, because L. Ron Hubbard was a D rated science fiction novelist before he created his own religion) a Creation theory.

The Creation theory of Scientology explains how homo sapiens, at the dawn of man, were unknowing of their own divinity and still evoloving. At the same time, there was a battle going on in space between extra terrestrial beings. It was kind of one of those good and evil things. Now, the evil (stressed) alien souls escaped and found their way to planet Earth, where they promptly infected the race of man with all of their stress and negative energy. I forget what these souls are called but I'm pretty sure it sounds like or is "Marklar". Not. Kidding. So the whole point of Scientology is to rid the of these alien stress causing souls using at home medical techniques (which explains why Tom Cruise delivered his own child inside of his home with no doctors present...also that explains why he's a freak) which can be learned reading the book Dionetics, written by L. Ron Hubbard.

Scientology believes that man has three parts. The spirit, called "thetan" which is the representation of the immortal essence of man and has experience the mind knows not. The second is the mind, which the thetan uses to communicate with the environment surrounding, and the third is the body, which has nothing to do with the thetan. The body is actually thought of as a much lesser version of man himself.

Much of Scientology is theorized in graph form, because again, it doesn't make any sense. There are Eight Dynamics, three elements of the Arc, and a Tone Scale. The Eight Dynamics split up all that exists (God, the Physical Universe, Man, Life Forms, etc.) The Arc stands for "affinity" "reality" and "communication" and is used to explain and discuss interpersonal relationships. Lastly, the Tone Scale is what streetside Scientologists are using to turn everyday activities and feelings (like Happiness is one of them) into a representation of the quality of one's life.

I think that's about all I can take for now, but I hope that helps.
 

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tom cruise is a poop eating madman

wow... i just watched this video of tom cruise in a scientology recruitment video. he's without a doubt, completely out of his fucking mind. it's hilarious!!!!

 
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Alrighty, so first I'm going to mention my background in religious exploration. I think religions are created because an individual found a system that really worked for them. We are all individuals, and thus we are different. What works for one might not work for everyone. I don't adhere to any religons, or any groups because if I didn't create it, I can't understand/know every principle, nor can I know everything about what is being done in the name of it.

I've been to jewish cinagogs, christian churches & youth groups, hare krishna temples, sikh temples, the spiritualist church, the gnostic circle, the wiccan church of canada and the church of scientology.

Last year I went to the Church of Scientology in Toronto, and took the e-meter "stress test" and concluded it was a squeeze test, and that the people were kinda weird and guarded their building in a very intense way (When I asked if I could use the washroom, I was escorted there and back).

I'm reading the book 'the secret life of plants' and numerous people have hooked up e-meters to plants, and gotten readings in the same way as a polygraph machine did. So, perhaps e-meters do work...I want to find a way to do the plant experiment myself, with e-meters and polygraphs, but that's another topic.

Their buildings have apparently been raided by all kinds of people, so that is perhaps why they escorted me to the washroom, but I still found/find it weird nontheless. The people at the church seemed somewhat blank to me...if that's the right word. However, I've become friends with a family who are all scientologists, and they're very distinct individuals, and some of the kindest people I've met. And I was actually somewhat surprised to find that they haven't tried to convert me in any way.

Things from scientology do come up in conversation once in a while, just as things about judaism come up in conversation with a jewish person, things from christianity come up in conversation with a christian, etc. When I went in to inquire about scientology, they did talk to me about it, because I asked. However, I can't count the number of times christian people have come up to me on the street to try to invite me to church, or tell me to read the bible. I don't know how to comment on those deaths...there are so many spins and cover-ups in all sorts of media that I don't know what to think of anything. So what I'm basing this on is my own personal experience.

L. Ron Hubbard is the founder of scientology. From what I've gathered, it seems his attempt with scientology is to create a religion that meshes western science with asian spirituality. He teaches Siddhartha's teaching 'if it isn't true for you, it isn't true'.

If you really want to become a scientologist, or learn about it, you basically have to give them money, or know someone who has books and lectures. This makes it very different from other religions, and perhaps harder to really learn about unless you are committed to becoming a scientologist. I don't usually give money to an organization unless I feel that I know it very well. So I wouldn't pay to learn about it, but I do have access to the books and lectures through other people. The way the books are written remind me of many other self-help books that I have picked up and skimmed through before. In the end, no one is obligated to buy what they do not want to buy. No one is forced to give up their pin number, or empty their wallets.

It seems that many seriously religious people often develop such a strong sense of their own religion that they develop a block between their religion and others.

In the end, I think it's a religion like any other. I don't adhere to one, but I think all have good and bad aspects. I adhere to being me, and respect that others may adhere to something created by someone else.
 
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Zanzae said:
I've been to jewish cinagogs, christian churches & youth groups, hare krishna temples, sikh temples, the spiritualist church, the gnostic circle, the wiccan church of canada and the church of scientology.

I don't mean to be nit-picky at all, because I thought your thread was very useful and informative, and you made some really good points. But if you are a student of all religions and hope to, in the future, have written discourse on the matter, you should probably know that "cinagog" is a horrible attempt, in the spelling department, of the word "synagogue". And now that you know, you can continue on your quest to be enlightened about several religions at one time.

In other news, there was supposedly a protest run by the group "Annonymous" held outside of the Church of Scientology headquarters in New York City and, I'm told, other places. Unfortunately, February 10th turned out to be bitterly cold and there was a small turnout. I was all set and ready to beat the pavement with my camera, but work stopped me from joining in the fun. It was just as well, because I think the group needs some serious help with understanding the correct and incorrect ways to protest. For instance, holding up a sign that says "Honk if you hate scientology" ain't gonna do it for me, or anyone else.

And Matt, the link to that video concludes that it is no longer available online. This is because Tom Cruise, the psycho that he is, went ahead and got himself a top notch publicist who (is probably a scientologist) and makes articles, videos, clips, etc. disappear within days of their leakage. Haha I just said leakage in a sentence. Awesome.
 

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