WTF is up with" Occupy" Wall Street?

[Redd Capp]

I am thinking of going via the next train. I talked to the local protesters in Bing. NY and they seem to want-
1.No Fracking- Local Issue about gas drilling which injectes water into the ground with a cocktail of other chemicals and sand to break shale to get the gas out.
2. Tax the rich- Increase taxes on the 1% who make up the millionares in this country---gee that would be about 3 million or so since we have a population of 300,000,000. Problem is that they are probaly smart enought to know all the tax shelter and havens like Grand Caymen Islands and dummy corperations
3. Abolish Coperate Personhood--Citizens United verses Federal Election Commision ruled that INC.s are people and have the right to free speech and therefore can make unlimited campaign contributions
Okay then if INCs are people then that would mean that if anyone owns a corperation then they are owning another person and owning another person is slavery? Also this might turn around and bite them in the ass because non-profit corps are also people and if they get what they want then non-profit activist groups could not influnce or lobby to get the grants that keep them alive.
4. Roll back the bank baleouts----Where were these guys when the bank baleouts were being given out in the first place? What the feds should have done is takeover the banks and then sell off there assets just like they did with the Savings and Loans in the 1980s
5. 1% sales tax on stock trades----This would raise a lot of revenue but also put a kabash on instutional investors like major university endowment funds that trade a lot that in turn back the schools where these protestors are students in the first place. Yes it would encourage long term investing. My problems with taxes is the more money the Gov has the more creative they are in wasting it.
6. End the war in Iraq and Afgansitan and get our troops the fuck out....Yes I could agree with that but once they get home how do you find jobs for them...You dont want to piss off 150,000 solders who know how to kill at least 70 diffrent ways.

 

[Pheonix]

What the feds should have done is takeover the banks and then sell off there assets just like they did with the Savings and Loans in the 1980s

bad idea, they assets aren't worth what they claim. if we would have done that the taxpayer would have lost even more money then they did.

what should have happened is nothing at all. we should have let the banks go bankrupt.

 

[Earth]

Yup, totally agree there....
LET THE POWER FAIL !!!!!!

 

[rezmutts]

decolonize.. not hard to relearn what we've been taught from family and state.. respect our mother earth and the first nations..

 

[Redd Capp]

The 1% or more like 5% have enough extra capital to invest in new buisness and infrastructure. None of us as individules have the money to go start our own railroad or airline or computer company. Even those with great ideas like Steve Jobs had to go to the Investment Banks who in turn went to the 1% to give him the money to start up. It is the 1% who have enough money that they can afford to lose to take a chance on a new buisness. Those who ride trains here ride on Warren Buffets railroad. aka Burlington Northern & Santa Fe. Warren Buffett is investing billions of his own cash to rebuild a industry that had been neglected for years. I think it is a simple law of commen sence that you are going to have the cream rise to the top and thats how you have the 1% and that the poor wiill always be among us. You are going to winners and losers. As for the 0% if you can drop off the grid and stop playing the game more power to you. I have a special place in my heart for Monastics and Intentional Communitys like the 12 Tribes. (Good Food! at there cafes!). Those who ride the rails here via Freight and Passenger-Someone has to invest in the tracks and underwrite the bonds that pay the bills and Wall Street makes that happen. What I am afraid of is that if Wall Street goes under someone else in the world will be the center of the Finance World and trading will be done there and they will then turn around and tell us what to do. Already New York City and Chicago downtowns Finance Districts have less people working for them then 10 years ago.I see more tourists then men in suits.

 

[Earth]

Wall street tells the parent Corp for the factory I labor at that they've increased their earnings expectations
And the Corp tells the factory to lay off x amount of workers / vend out x amount of jobs because wall st demands it.
Everytime wall st speaks I get the shaft.
Good. I hope they do move, because they aint helping me any.....

 

[Earth]

ok, I just flashed on something while rocking the pot and figure I should properly qualify my previous comment above.
It's rare I ever re-visit any thread here again a second time, so consider this a treat....

The human who wrote this original post made mention of two brilliant visionaries who have truly done wonderful things, and it can honestly be said that they have made the world a better place.

Now, I am not against anyone making money, even if it's substationally more money than I - but when it becomes criminal,
then I have a problem with it.

The rich need to remember who made them rich: the working man and woman, be it building Blackhawks or Dreamliners or laying down rails, building diesels, computers - anything - it's the worker - the laboror - who makes it happen.

Sure, capital is needed - but so is the talent to make the product, build that railway, etc....
There also needs to be ethical practices in place too, so the little person is not forgotten in the process.

What angers me is when these rich pigs forget who made them rich in the first place and see fit to get rid of their own factory workers etc in favor of using foriegn - even illegials - so they don't have to pay benifits, or pensions, or have epa regs - osha regs etc.... so yeah,

Maybe if Wall St leaves, real estate / cost of living levels will drop back to affordable levels like they once were

I remember a while back, maybe 25 years ago - there was talk about kicking out the UN from NYC, and we were like yeah - hit the bricks, let the homeless move into that large rectangular building and the rest of the complex be used for the performing arts.

Ah, the glory days...................... gone, but not forgotten !!

Good Post Redd Capp, Respect........................

 

[Pheonix]

the 1% don't invest their money they invest YOUR money, that's why this happened when they lost money on their risky investments it was YOUR money that was lost and THEY got a bailout.

 

[dolittle]

Yeah, the 1% hold all the money to keep this country running & moving forward. And just LOOK where it got us. Those corporate do-gooders evicted a 78 yr old woman with the onset of dementshea from her home. Cousing her to loose every item that held her life time of memorys.
Those moneyed angels threw a 54 yr old man with 3rd stage parkasens out on the street. AFTER swendelling him out out of his property.
I know this to be Fact becouse it happened to my Mom & my brother.
Back in the day, the clan or tribe took care of their own. Respecting the elderly. In todays modern, enlightend, Civalized sociaty, if U don't have money to pay for the basics, they take away the things U care about & throw U in a home to be treated like cattle or something.
Yeah, those 1%'ers do a WHOLE LOT of good for this country.
Oh, did I mention the $7000. I lost when I tryed to invest for our future? $7000. it took me 15 months of scraping & doing with out to save up. Where is our government bailout????
Hang the sonabitches!!!

 

[Puck]

i've been at occupy san antonio for over three weeks and as of last week been hoppin in and out of austin. houston, and new orleans, and i have to say, though i dig the whole autonomous space deal, pacifism (along with liberals, cop-callers, and non-violent elitists) will be the death of occupy. jus sayin.

 

[Puck]

and fuck reformists

 

[Land pirate]

All Occupy Ann Arbor did is run the bums out of the park and sleep outside... Not really sure what this proves but at least it smells better..

 

[rezmutts]

Yeah the one in Abq. is leaning into a more liberal acts. getting permits, thinking cops are there to protect them and double speaking about all indigenous as drunks and threats to the cause.. I had the most interesting talks with my native brother and sisters then the occupiers.. and fuck reformist..

 

[Gudj]

I'm in Oakland right now and there is actually a large group of non-reformist folks.
Too bad occupyPortland

 

[Sjaan]

Here in Nebraska we're doing really well, especially with local cops... All I know is that we're in solidarity with OWS but we're also taking local issues into our own hands and working with what we have

 

[Redd Capp]

What did you invest in that lost 7000.00? My take here is that intrest rates need to rise to a more sane 5-6% low intrest rates are pushing eldery and fixed income into risky stocks and the casinos...at 5% you get 5,000 on a 100,000 in savings which on top of social security could help.(100,000 comes from sale of house and other investments)

 

[Draco]

Without the 99% the 1% would have no money to invest. Wealth comes from the bottom up not from the other way around as they would have you believe. The 1% is not the job creators. Jobs are created out of need. That need is when the current employees can't keep up with demand. The reason they can't keep up with demand is that the 99% have money and are buying the goods and services. The wealthy never created a job in their lives. No wealthy person has ever said "Oh I am getting a big tax break I don't need I think I will hire someone I don't need just to do something nice for a poor person."

 

[TheUndeadPhoenix]

Since when is this a political website? OWS I can understand, that's fuckin anarchy. This IS NOT.

 

[Strang3RXRMous3]

here in occupy tucson we r doing alright... we r gathering people for underground foot soldiers.... so that all aspects and views of the occupiers are covered... we have narks and right now im trying to uncover them from their own issues and run em out.... we have right now people that have their hands to close to those damn rabid doggs mouths because they trust the police too much.... undereducated on how police minds work are leaving our people vulnerable.... as of right now they are trying to run us out and they keep all parks covered with police watch... direct action is being taken to a new level.... we have anarchists and all levels of people on camp site.... at least two weeks ago we had a woman snatched and she was alright we found her after she was pushed out and another young woman dealing with a violent act from two wingnuts... still going on.... a gun was pointed towards myself and another occupier... found out it was unloaded so that went down...... we have people going against corporations and banks.... again direct action.... anyone with fb can see news about occupy tucson foot soldiers on Anon-UnderCity GutterAngel Punxx.... thank you have a goodnight... CAR SICK AS HELL!!!!

 

[Puckett]

Since when is this a political website? OWS I can understand, that's fuckin anarchy. This IS NOT.

there is a section for anarchism and politics.