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Brodiesel710

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Brodiesel710

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Damn, I didn't think it would quite be so much. Thanks for the info though.
Yeah no problem. I've learned a lot of about land bureaucracy over this past year through 20 acres I bought in Nevada. Theres still a lot of affordable opportunities out there for anyone wanting to invest the time and $$. We paid $20,000 so thats 1,000 an acre. But were not close to shit, just hay/cattle farmers. But as they say if you build it they will come so possiblities are endless in regards to your STP collective idea. I bet you could stack a bunch o cash through a crowd source site. I mean, I saw some people recently who raised almost $30,000 just to help them move, I was like WHAT???!!!
 
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EmmaAintDead

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The bad news might be that some yuppie ass Artists Lofts are going up in the spot you scoped, but the good news is that everything right across the tracks is City land that hasn't had any deed or development activity in 22 years. The city has a substation on the western side of the creek, but tbh all the property east and connecting on the east side could probably be weaseled out of their hands with an offer and a division of land. Highlighted in red. Lets drive those property values down, folks <3
 

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The bad news might be that some yuppie ass Artists Lofts are going up in the spot you scoped, but the good news is that everything right across the tracks is City land that hasn't had any deed or development activity in 22 years. The city has a substation on the western side of the creek, but tbh all the property east and connecting on the east side could probably be weaseled out of their hands with an offer and a division of land. Highlighted in red. Lets drive those property values down, folks <3
nice, good to know :) i wish there was some kind of assessment of the value of that land available. i have noticed that there are a few chunks near where i was looking initially much like the one in red you highlighted, although that one looks pretty nice as well!
 

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i wish there was some kind of assessment of the value of that land available.
My own assessment would be that it's shit land and the city knows it. Its stuck between rail and utility with dozens of private developments already lining the north stretch. At most, maybe a 7-Eleven might want to zone in something right at the end of Lott, but there's no way in hell anyone is vying for the deed to that chunk. Hell, maybe you could get them to do a Dollar/Acre deal if you call it an "Artist's Retreat" or some hipster shit like that
 

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I'd get behind this. I'd probably have to give up dreams of being part of the grande punk navy, but building community is a great challenge too.

As an alternative place to start, instead of collecting dollars to buy a vacant plot, what if we lean on our mobility to build momentum to establish community? Instead of a blank terrestrial slate, we could begin by banding together as a caravan under this common purpose. If we shared our livelihood and resources first, it would build stronger bonds and repel those without true commitment. Without much effort, enough capital could be raised to occasionally sublet large-scale housing in whatever area was being explored as a supplement to nomadic life. I've seen intentional communities that are centered around property break down from the stress of sharing that property in an egalitarian way over the long-term. One community (three years so far, but perhaps is no more) I'm thinking of in particular recently had a membership breakdown because several relationships buckled after the novelty of the shiny new thing wore off.

If it was my own dollars I was thinking of investing, I'd start with the hardest thing first - the expulsion policy. Define how far members need to be willing to go in order to enforce boundaries. Socially ostracizing jerks is the easiest, but it won't deter the stubborn and can possibly create a situation where members take advantage of a situation where they can't truly be held accountable. Is the community willing to take legal action? If so, then you need legitimacy and a mechanism of ownership that will require a hierarchy or at least one group holding power over another.
 
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Missouri & illinois are cheap & remote but close to major cities in southern Illinois Easter. Missouri. Weather is mild in South Western/ eastern & no building codes in most counties. Owner financing is also a option & a valid foot in the door. Plus marijuana is medical in both States for the hemp enthusiasts.
 

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