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Anyone ever gone out to sabatoge hunts? People bowhunt even on the grounds of my university leaving dead deer parts anywhere. They only ever take the head and backstraps, and male deer never live longer than a couple years here. Likewise young deer here never have father figures around. These people need to be called out for what they are - pure sociopaths.

"While a lot of folks are pretty unsympathetic about things that don’t directly affect them, hunters (like serial killers) take it a step further, by making bad shit happen to others." - Exposing the Big Game.

The whole culture is sick. The way they glorify brutal images of arrows piercing the innocent, just to excite them for their next murder. The way they collect trophies from their hunt in true serial killer fashion and leave local animal populations decimated. Just as the first humans drove all the magnificent Pleistocene mammals to extinction this small percentage of our populating continues to remove native species and replace them with ones that can withstand hunting pressures.

If you are bent up about it too, here is a guide to sabotaging hunter activities in your area. The Field Guide to Anti-Hunting:

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/anonymous-the-field-guide-to-anti-hunting


Has anyone here used these methods?
 
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people hunt on the grounds of yer university? what school do you goto?
Western new mexico university. We are a frontier community surrounded by wilderness yet people feel the need to hunt even on the greenbelt within the school property. Then they dump the carcasses in the dormitory dumpsters. While hiking i have also found and hear of people finding dozens of mutilated animals including housepets in bags. Bones, arrows all over the place. They even leave bones on church steps and animals hanging from trees. This area has a lot of domineering bunker creeps. To be honest our wilderness has a sinister human vibe. I dont have a problem with subsistence hunting to save money but these people kill for fun.
 

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Western new mexico university. We are a frontier community surrounded by wilderness yet people feel the need to hunt even on the greenbelt within the school property. Then they dump the carcasses in the dormitory dumpsters. While hiking i have also found and hear of people finding dozens of mutilated animals including housepets in bags. Bones, arrows all over the place. They even leave bones on church steps and animals hanging from trees. This area has a lot of domineering bunker creeps. To be honest our wilderness has a sinister human vibe.
im not against hunting for food. but yea people who leave a entire dead animal and just take the "trophy" part is obviously fucked. aside from the gerneral monkey wrenching shit you brought up it seems to me youd have a pretty solid case if you brought it up to yer university, i mean...theres gotta be some kinda legal thing you could lean on like dumping animal carcasses in dorm dumpsters being a health hazzard?

This area has a lot of domineering bunker creeps
if tearing down blinds/disrupting hunting for them is something yer set on doing just be careful. ya know, on account of alot of these types of people arnt known for being the most reasonable folks.
 
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...Likewise young deer here never have father figures around...
The doe raises young, the buck goes off to shoot pool and drink beer with other bucks. You can't even get a buck to pay child support. They have absolutely zero to do with raising young regardless of hunting pressure and really shouldn't be expected to.

It is a noble idea to thwart the hunting activities of uneducated or lame hunters, but your effort will come off better if you stack your case with facts.
 
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The doe raises young, the buck goes off to shoot pool and drink beer with other bucks. You can't even get a buck to pay child support. They have absolutely zero to do with raising young regardless of hunting pressure and really shouldn't be expected to.

It is a noble idea to thwart the hunting activities of uneducated or lame hunters, but your effort will come off better if you stack your case with facts.
They hunt all species indiscriminately deer aside, they use government tracking devices meant to avoid "protected" wolves to track and kill them and this is done with a wink and nudge from all parties. Javelinas which are under stress already in the driest coldest part of their normally tropical range are cut short of their habitat. And your facts are probably coming from somewhere with a conflict of interest with $ such as any state game department or organization corrupted by economic supremity. I have no more time to argue with fools. All sport hunting is evil revealing dangerous or rotten individuals. Not to mention detrimental to biodiversity as a distraction from real conservation. It should be sabotaged and dealt with as due.

Costa Rica banned it in non subsistence communities. This region being Americas first designated wilderness should be similarly protected.
 
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Western new mexico university. We are a frontier community surrounded by wilderness yet people feel the need to hunt even on the greenbelt within the school property. Then they dump the carcasses in the dormitory dumpsters. While hiking i have also found and hear of people finding dozens of mutilated animals including housepets in bags. Bones, arrows all over the place. They even leave bones on church steps and animals hanging from trees. This area has a lot of domineering bunker creeps. To be honest our wilderness has a sinister human vibe. I dont have a problem with subsistence hunting to save money but these people kill for fun.
That is freaking barbaric!!! OK - we have kill zones where the county hires hunters to reduce the deer herds to minimalize the deer herd here to what the numbers they think need to live in that area - and deer are taken and butchered and given to some homeless shelters, but really to leave the carcass in college dumpsters including pets, is off the wall. Anyone complained about this?
 
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The article you linked doesn't appear to show how to distinguish between those that sport hunt vs those that hunt for food. If you just randomly destroy or damage peoples property your going to be in for a bad time. Also, just a fyi if your looking for sport hunters, look for the hunting clubs running dogs, not the stands/blinds/etc. I've seen the aftermath of hunting clubs unfortunately. They slaughter dozens in a weekend and leave the remains to rot in the fields, its sad.

Likewise young deer here never have father figures around.
After reading that I thought it was a troll post. But in the event you don't know. Young deer never have their father figure around. The doe raises them for one to two years(a male fawn will usually only stay with its mother one year, and the female fawn will stay up to two.) The buck isn't in the picture after mating. Bucks join groups of three to five males after their yearling season.
 
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...I have no more time to argue with fools...
Yet you do make the time to list some falsehoods (one of which I did point out and you repay me with a "meh").

Shall I go through your argument and pick out some more for you or are you finished being foolish?

I hate when people try to make an argument and support it with false facts or broad generalized statements.

On topic: People must eat to survive. And if you're vegan, plants also have feelings if you aren't already aware of it.

I'm not defending people who take game unethically, ok chill buddy?
 
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"I hate when people try to make an argument and support it with false facts or broad generalized statements."
Funny thing so do I. Funny that you bring up child support to in such a non neutral political way, which is a whole seperate issue, but the bottom line is deer need male role models in their species and 90% of males perishing from human intervention (as is the case with Wisconsin's deer population) should show you that great atrocities are committed in the name of suffering spectatorship sports. Not to mention the state is killing wolves simply to create a deer surpluss that then "needs to be culled" for financial gain. Not to mention the fact that it isnt too much to ask that wilderness and protected lands or at least urban greenbelts should be protected to form some semblance of real nature.
 
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Care to share your source where the buck ever serves as a role model to its offspring in a natural environment as I did with the doe taking responsibility?

Bucks don't serve as role models, you're anthropomorphising.
 
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After reading that I thought it was a troll post. But in the event you don't know. Young deer never have their father figure around. The doe raises them for one to two years(a male fawn will usually only stay with its mother one year, and the female fawn will stay up to two.) The buck isn't in the picture after mating. Bucks join groups of three to five males after their yearling season.
That is not the case with every mammal, as this post is about all animals being slaughtered as long as people enjoy killing them. And you have no way of knowing the effect having so few males around does to the animals natural behavior outside of commonly repeated information which makes the assumption that current deer behavior under pressure reflects natural deer behavior. Do you realize america used to have millions of ferrets, 8 foot tall sloths, and its own giraffes? Humans are thought to have caused the extinction of an estimated 66% of all large mammals since the pleistocene era due to overhunting. Elk and larger more exotic deer were widespread before being hunted to extinction and replaced by other species. Now all we have are dwarf deer and people who accept a lack of males as thanks to gaming commissions and private interests. You have no idea what the natural role of bucks is because they never exist in an undisturbed state.
 
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"I hate when people try to make an argument and support it with false facts or broad generalized statements."
Funny thing so do I. Funny that you bring up child support to in such a non neutral political way, which is a whole seperate issue, but the bottom line is deer need male role models in their species and 90% of males perishing from human intervention (as is the case with Wisconsin's deer population) should show you that great atrocities are committed in the name of suffering spectatorship sports. Not to mention the state is killing wolves simply to create a deer surpluss that then "needs to be culled" for financial gain. Not to mention the fact that it isnt too much to ask that wilderness and protected lands or at least urban greenbelts should be protected to form some semblance of real nature.
You have no idea what the natural role of bucks is because they never exist in an undisturbed state.
Then how do you know if a species needs male role models? If things are so disturbed, your own point invalidates what your saying. How would you know? Man I really would like to debate this, but it seems like your bouncing around a lot. Can you give sources?

Also, I would like a source for this...

Do you realize america used to have millions of ferrets, 8 foot tall sloths, and its own giraffes?
I couldn't find anything on a North or South American giraffe.
 
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Care to share your source where the buck ever serves as a role model to its offspring in a natural environment as I did with the doe taking responsibility?

Bucks don't serve as role models, you're anthropomorphising.
Many social species suxh as Elephants have been shown to have their personality highly altered in populations where the males are hunted for tusks. Without male figures these elephants have been observed becoming homicidal and suicidal. It is no stretch to wonder how deer behavior has been altered by males being constantly on edge and almost always perishing by human intervention. How are they marking their territory differently? The onus of proof lies on you to prove their behavior has not been altered by these artificial pressures, as any reasonable person could assume it has changed their population's traits.
 
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Then how do you know if a species needs male role models? If things are so disturbed, your own point invalidates what your saying. How would you know? Man I really would like to debate this, but it seems like your bouncing around a lot. Can you give sources?

Also, I would like a source for this...



I couldn't find anything on a North or South American giraffe.

Wisconsins recent studies show 57% of deer individuals die from humans eventually. The majority of kills are of course probably males, so we can infer 80%-90% die from hunting, and that probably 15% or less survive to die of natural causes. This is an enormous pressure on a population and deer are one of the only species which can tolerate it henxe why most other large mammals in America went extinct. http://archive.jsonline.com/sports/outdoors/study-sheds-light-on-top-causes-of-deer-mortality-b99190938z1-241992741.html?ipad=y


As for the species all being decimated search for the recent near extinction in the wild of ferrets in america due to ranchers trappers hunters and poisons. Search pleistocene megafauna list and understand that all of them went extinct from their respective regions as soon as humans arrived on the fossil records.
 
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And if you're vegan, plants also have feelings if you aren't already aware of it.
Since StP is all about fact checking in this thread, I'd love to hear you provide evidence for this alternative fact.
 

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I didnt know Elk were extinct.Considering there are huge herds in the west.I hunt for food,I apply for a tag every year,I consume what I take.Trophy hunters are indeed wasteful asshats,I have no time for them.You may actually want to read up on states fish and games laws.In the last article you quoted actual figure was 43% were killed by legal hunters(they stated they dont have the figures for poachers which would make the % higher)After I read the article a few things stand out.1 Wisconsin apparently allows anterless deer to be shot.I know ID and WA havent allowed that in the past.(that may have changed).2.While 53% of all deer killed in a 3 year study were killed by hunters,47% of the males and 73% of the females in that study group survived.I know several hunters,they are just as angry about "trophy hunters" as anyone else.There are tons of semireal "facts" in the comments.Im not trying to come across angle just giving you my view as a hunter and yes a conservationist.
 
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I didnt know Elk were extinct.Considering there are huge herds in the west.I hunt for food,I apply for a tag every year,I consume what I take.Trophy hunters are indeed wasteful asshats,I have no time for them.You may actually want to read up on states fish and games laws.In the last article you quoted actual figure was 43% were killed by legal hunters(they stated they dont have the figures for poachers which would make the % higher)After I read the article a few things stand out.1 Wisconsin apparently allows anterless deer to be shot.I know ID and WA havent allowed that in the past.(that may have changed).2.While 53% of all deer killed in a 3 year study were killed by hunters,47% of the males and 73% of the females in that study group survived.I know several hunters,they are just as angry about "trophy hunters" as anyone else.There are tons of semireal "facts" in the comments.Im not trying to come across angle just giving you my view as a hunter and yes a conservationist.
So youre not alarmed by the fact that the vast majority of bucks die artificially? In the wild the maximum prey a predator can take sustainably is usually 10%. You are idiots to discount the facts an emotional reason behind protecting wilderness. I will not tolerate your foolish bullshit arguments. I will destroy your blinds and tree stands and if that leads to a fatal conflict or whatever trouble you guys imply, then so be it. Earth will be rid of its poor stewards by one hand or another. By the way no one claimed all elk were extinct from the whole planet. Do you seriously think there is only one kind of elk? Are you that sense? Jesus its like giving facts and sources to a rock. Just get out of here if you cant keep things real.

And if you hunt in Idaho your license pays for the subsidized murdering of endangered wolves by helicopter just so you can have easier time finding game.
 
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I saw no where in my comment a threat or a derogatory reference.Nor did I ever threaten any kind of trouble.Im curious about the comment Elk are extinct.Would you care to show that information.Since you have deemed my comment stupid I will say this.Stupid is to use one or 2 reference points to build a case and then when the actual stats from one of the article are used to make a valid point you resort to childish name calling and threats.You might seem a little more rational if you even tried to listen to others comments.As for poor stewardship.Since you are using deer as an example.Poor stewardship is allowing a deer population to explode until it cannot sustain itself.
 

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