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Marx on the Branding of Vagabonds in the 16th Century

Discussion in 'People & Cultures' started by Hillbilly Castro, Apr 22, 2017.

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    1547: "If it happens that a vagabond has been idling about for three days, he is to be taken to his birthplace, branded with a red-hot iron with the letter V on the breast and be set to work, in chains, in the streets or at some other labour."

    https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch28.htm

    New body modification anyone?
     
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    Beats executing them or deporting them like 15 and 1600s England.
     
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    Moved to People and Cultures :)
     
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    <looks down> Well at least there is no "A" branded here. :D Just a lot of flowers, cats and a fish or twooooo.
     
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    Much of this was connected to' The Enclosure Laws', and the destruction of the Yeoman class, which dumped a lot of poor into the cities, where they started to wander in search of a better life. I think it got ramped up during Queen Elizabeth's time. She was called 'Bloody Bess' because she killed more English people, and destroyed more monastaries than any other ruler. Many poor people would use the Church and the monastery system as a way to safeguard themselves from the government. But under John Dee's Cabalistic guidance, the Church took a huge hit. There was a nursery rhyme in this era that went:
    "They hang the man and flog the woman who steals the goose from off the Common.
    Yet let the greater criminal loose, who steals the Common from the goose.
    They say we must atone when we take things we do not own.
    But leave the Lords and Ladies fine, who take things that are yours and mine."
     
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    I read the article; that was some FUCKED UP SHIT.

    One of the things in there was a mandatory wage cap, punishable by imprisonment on the part of both the employer AND the employee. However, it was still unfairly biased in favor of the employers; 10 days in prison for PAYING a higher wage than the mandatory cap, and 21 days in prison for RECEIVING a higher wage.

    I like the idea about the 'V' brand, though.
     
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    there was a lot of fucked up shit in 1500s. and what happen to women that were appearing not very normal to people? (disclosure: death by burning)
     
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    I couldn't help but notice that slavery, not just Indentured Service, was alive and well..
     
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    Slavery is still alive and well. I imagine the institution it's about as old as prostitution.
     
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    This is brutal! Some real stone age shit right there. I wonder if they actually followed it to a t? Or was it just a scare tactic?
     
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    Since Marx was a radical Zionist, I might mention that in Lancastrian England, the punishment for striking a Jew(but not killing him) was to pay 2 pounds of gold. A sick joke since most poor people had never seen gold. Short of that, the poor offender was to have one hand cut off and both eyes burned out with a hot iron. Not fun at all.. If your curious about Marx, check out the youtube video: " Karl Marx was Racist, supported slavery and cared nothing for the working class"..
     
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    But i love Australians...