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AnOldHope

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I was watching the documentary "Holy Hell" about the Buddhafield group in California, for twenty years they believed this guy was a messenger from God, they devoted their lives to him, turned out he was an out of work gay porn actor from Brazil named Jaime Gomez.

But it all only really goes to shit midway through the movie when all the squirrely shit he was doing to his followers emerged. Before that, they were really happy.

Cults tend to be defined by their leader, but of course once that leader has such absolute power over his followers, assholery inevitably ensues.

So I've decided to reboot the cult idea with some improvements:

1.) The leader doesn't get unquestioning authority over followers and their lives. He/she can ask them to leave the cult's place if he/she thinks they're fucking things up and it's damaging the group, but the leader can't tell you who to marry, what to think, what to believe, or anything else. The most they can do is make you leave the cult if you're causing problems.

2.) The leader doesn't ask for or get money from the followers. People chip in for gas if they want to ride into town in the cult leader's truck from the cult's off-grid camp on private property. Instead of paying the cult, cult members spend their money to survive better, saving for a vehicle, trailer, some solar power, whatever. Members come and go as they please. If/when they leave the cult, they take their stuff with them.

3.) Instead of working in some cult-owned business to make money for the cult leader, the members raise goats and chickens for milk, meat, and eggs. If everyone wants to pitch in for rice, pastas, other bulk foods and prepare group meals, we work out who knows how to make what, we give it a try, and people vote with their stomachs. At this stage, the High Chef of the Cult (whoever makes the best food) is a powerful member of the cult in their own right. Individual members can certainly buy and prepare their own food, but are welcome to a share of the goats and chickens as long as they're helping with the animals.

3.5) The Heaven's Gate people made decent money doing web design, but they killed themselves and Cult 2.0 doesn't do that (see rule 4). So the True God has revealed to me the radical alternative plan of having internet on the compound so members can study technology (operating systems, programming, remote network management, whatever clicks in your head that you want to spend the time to get good at), and then once the member is making money, they live and enjoy their money instead of eating a lethal dose of drugs mixed in applesauce.

4.) No suicides, no spaceships are coming. We will store food and water because humans need those things. We don't anticipate an Apocalypse, but if it comes, we will be able to help ourselves and those in need.

4.5) No homicides, no violence, no aggression against other members. Everybody gets their own shitty rv/trailer, whatever, and if there's friction, the cult leader defuses it (any refusing to be defused will be ejected from the Cult's place).

5.) We aren't looking to fight the government, the illuminati, or the reptilians from Alpha Draconis. We're looking to live very inexpensively and simply, and express the Highest Love: Don't fuck with yourself or anybody else.

6.) We do not withhold the higher teachings of the cult from new members, nor require payment or lengthy membership to see our "True" teachings. We have knowledge of the True Name of God, and we will tell you on the first day. It's "Ronald".

7.) Gatherings will be held on Holy Days (when the weather is good and people feel like getting together) and sermons will take the form of Sacred Imagery (we'll vote on the movie).

Would this work?
 
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Cults have worse reputations than churches without the added benefit of tax exempt status.

I think the people I'd be looking for aren't too worried about reputation, and since it would be Cult 2.0, there wouldn't be any huge need to bring in more followers, more money, or whatever for the leader. People join if it works for them.

Also, even if a group is classified as a "cult" by whatever designator, if it pursues spiritual beliefs I believe it incurs similar tax status to a Church. However, since this enterprise would not likely result in income for the Cult leader (individuals keep whatever income they have), taxation isn't really a big concern since there is no cult-accrued income to tax.
 

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What you have described sounds more like commune then a cult.
 
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What you have described sounds more like commune then a cult.

I suppose so, but we'd be different in that we'd have sacred profound teachings to buttress group cohesion, perhaps hats or robes of some kind for ceremonies.

Hats would have to be optional, I know some people just aren't hat people.
 

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Just watched an episode last night of "Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath." The Scientology Church is tax-exempt. Their leader is worth 50 million.
 
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AnOldHope

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Is this a pitch at starting a cult? Dude...you gotta have more confidence then this if you want to make it.

The "confident" cult leader is the basis of the previous iterations of cults, this is "Cult 2.0". While confidence naturally attracts those who need confidence in their cult leaders, the dynamic here is less reliant on that.

By contrast its intended towards people who don't really need a confident cult leader to run their lives, but rather have their own confidence (and more specifically find that the situation with in the Cult 2.0 is beneficial to their specific needs, thus sourcing their membership from fair gain for themselves and others, rather than for the benefit of the confident cult leader).

Since there is no need for gain for the cult leader, there is no need to "make it".

Those who would gravitate to this premise wouldn't really need someone else's confidence, but rather analytically find that localized human collaboration (while preserving individual freedom, control of their own lives, their own place in the compound, etc.) gives them the amplified power of human cooperation without undue subordination of their personal autonomy. They have their own confidence, they don't need it from somebody else.

How many of such people there are remains to be seen, of course.
 
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Just watched an episode last night of "Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath." The Scientology Church is tax-exempt. Their leader is worth 50 million.

Yeah, Hubbard specifically told them early on that the goal was to make money, and they did it. Harmed a lot of lives.

Fortunately, the tax element is less of an issue here, as the associated taxes would mostly limited to the property taxes, which in the case at hand are less than $30/year and would not be exempted under religious use anyway.
 
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AnOldHope

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I can use a leader.

What are you offering that I can't do for myself?

I don't know because I don't know what you can do for yourself. Is there anything you're having trouble doing on your own (or with a pre-existing group context you already have access to, for goals that require combined effort)?

You mention you can use a leader, what do you need to use them for?

I guess a lot of it depends on your individual goals and skillset. What is it you're having trouble with?

For a project like this, its generally those who want a small place where they don't have to have a roommate, aren't paying rent, like working with animals, get most of their entertainment on line or through reading/films/art/games, and want to live that way. Some have the ability to put this together on their own, some need the economies of scale of a group to do it.
 
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Fortunately, the tax element is less of an issue here, as the associated taxes would mostly limited to the property taxes, which in the case at hand are less than $30/year and would not be exempted under religious use anyway.

Small amount aside, my source indicates that churches are exempt from paying property taxes in 50 states: http://churchesandtaxes.procon.org/

What source are you getting your information from?

Or, did you just pull that fact from your butt?
 
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Small amount aside, my source indicates that churches are exempt from paying property taxes in 50 states: http://churchesandtaxes.procon.org/

What source are you getting your information from?

Or, did you just pull that fact from your butt?

Because the location would not be solely for religious use and would serve as principle residence for the owner, so there would be property tax associated with that. My information comes from an Enrolled Agent who handles my tax issues. I believe your sources speaks specifically to structure as house of worship, whereas residences of members are still taxable much as the personal income of a priest would be taxable.

You seem hostile, I'd like to better understand why.
 
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What you have described sounds more like commune then a cult.

There is definitely some overlap, and communal living (but with separate trailers/rvs/whatever, so people have their own space) without rent is part of the spiritual practice.

I'm seeing some mini-dome houses designed by some guy in Alaska that look good for the housing, but a little pricey at $6k a piece. Used trailers/RV's can usually be found in the Southwest for $500 to $1500. I'm thinking we could put up four foot goat fence around each person's monastic retreat (shitty trailer) so if they have a pet, and/or want to grow some stuff (water is limited in the area, but as long as we don't wind up with more than 7 or so people, there's room on the property for enough rain catchers to water individual gardens, which if successful could have its excess traded to others in the community, the organic byproducts given to the goats, etc).

So yes, I suppose Cult 2.0 does incorporate communal living, while preserving sufficient privacy so as not to regress to Cult 1.0 practices of conditioning, control, isolation, etc.
 

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There is definitely some overlap, and communal living (but with separate trailers/rvs/whatever, so people have their own space) without rent is part of the spiritual practice.

I'm seeing some mini-dome houses designed by some guy in Alaska that look good for the housing, but a little pricey at $6k a piece. Used trailers/RV's can usually be found in the Southwest for $500 to $1500. I'm thinking we could put up four foot goat fence around each person's monastic retreat (shitty trailer) so if they have a pet, and/or want to grow some stuff (water is limited in the area, but as long as we don't wind up with more than 7 or so people, there's room on the property for enough rain catchers to water individual gardens, which if successful could have its excess traded to others in the community, the organic byproducts given to the goats, etc).

So yes, I suppose Cult 2.0 does incorporate communal living, while preserving sufficient privacy so as not to regress to Cult 1.0 practices of conditioning, control, isolation, etc.
This actually sounds fairly practical.
 
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AnOldHope

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This actually sounds fairly practical.

I admit the logistics are challenging, particularly in the summer heat in the southwest. For my own setup I use USB fans powered by solar, but I have 800 watts. For half a dozen people, it may require more than double that to provide enough that everyone could have fans in their trailer, which they would need at minimum.

The water hauling is also an issue, I use 3 gallons a day (which includes one for my dog), but I understand others may need more than that.

The other problem may be that for those without there own vehicle, the isolation may be problematic if they can't engage their needs for interaction on the internet or the micro community. Some people need to be in town out among people, especially if they make money busking or whatever. I don't really currently have a good way around that.
 

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