Border Hopping between US and Canada (1 Viewer)

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First, sorry if this is going in the wrong place, feel free to move/delete it in that event.

Second, a little backstory on the post. I'm Canadian and I'm living in the US and I've been thinking of going home, at least for a while, and I know that if I do go back into Canada I will be banned from the US for at least 3 years for overstaying and even after my ban is lifted I will most likely not be allowed back in even if I have the very best reasons, which I probably won't. So, I have been digging around online and found a little gem that shows you just how unprotected the US-Canada border can be (though it mainly focuses on the bits covered by water).

When private boaters enter U.S. waters from Canada, chances are there won't be any U.S. Customs officials there to meet them.

Instead, they are supposed to go to a videophone like the one at the city marina in Ogdensburg, N.Y. and give the home port, boat registration number, the names and citizenship of all passengers and a list of alcohol or anything else acquired outside the country.

So, basically, as I understand it I could hitch a ride with some guy\gal who owns a boat and be on my merry way through the US to wherever I want to go (as long as I don't get picked up by cops or Customs officers) and then hitch back across again, or just go through the regular land checkpoints to get home.

here's the full article: LINK
 
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Come into Charlotte Ontario Rochester NY and there are some heavy border controls. Used to have a really cool water taxi that took you to Toronto and back until the winter months jostled the people too much (heh, I sat at the bar and held my drink - but then walked by 4 nuns with their heads literally bent down on the table with a paper bag in their laps). However I was held be them one time cause I got pissed off at being held up by some drunk who couldn't find his passport. I missed the last bus and had to take a cab - course no money so I walked about 11 miles at midnight and going though some shit territory.

Nothing like being pissed off and verbal about it .... and put into a glass room so they could stare at you. But they check ya out pretty good here.
 

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First, sorry if this is going in the wrong place, feel free to move/delete it in that event.

Second, a little backstory on the post. I'm Canadian and I'm living in the US and I've been thinking of going home, at least for a while, and I know that if I do go back into Canada I will be banned from the US for at least 3 years for overstaying and even after my ban is lifted I will most likely not be allowed back in even if I have the very best reasons, which I probably won't. So, I have been digging around online and found a little gem that shows you just how unprotected the US-Canada border can be (though it mainly focuses on the bits covered by water).



So, basically, as I understand it I could hitch a ride with some guy\gal who owns a boat and be on my merry way through the US to wherever I want to go (as long as I don't get picked up by cops or Customs officers) and then hitch back across again, or just go through the regular land checkpoints to get home.

here's the full article: LINK

yeah, i've been saying this for a while.

now, that article is from 2006, so i wouldn't count on it being 100% accurate, but i think the general gist is the same. you could probably do what you're saying if you can find someone willing to do that. of course if you get caught, you have to take full responsibility, not the guy captaining the boat, but that's what is sounds like you would do anyways.

other options would be train hopping across.

i generally don't trust articles to remain online forever, so i'm copying and pasting the article below:


It is easy to sneak into the USA from Canada
SOurce

U.S. self-check-in border with Canada scrutinized

Susan Taylor Martin
St. Petersburg Times
Jun. 18, 2006 12:00 AM

ST. LAWRENCE RIVER, U.S.-Canadian border - Call it the "honor system" of combating international crime and terrorism.

When private boaters enter U.S. waters from Canada, chances are there won't be any U.S. Customs officials there to meet them.

Instead, they are supposed to go to a videophone like the one at the city marina in Ogdensburg, N.Y. and give the home port, boat registration number, the names and citizenship of all passengers and a list of alcohol or anything else acquired outside the country.

It's even more basic on the Canadian side.

At Rockport, a picturesque village west of Ogdensburg, the tiny Canadian customs office is open only in summer and only in daylight.

Private boaters arriving from the United States at other times are directed to a nearby pay phone booth where they are supposed to report in using a toll-free number.

If this sounds like a system a smuggler, or terrorist, could easily exploit, that's because it is.

"We like to think people obey the law," said Kevin Corsaro of U.S. Customs and Border Protection. But, he acknowledged, "it's hard to guarantee it."

The attention of most Americans has long been focused on their southern border, which thousands of Mexicans illegally cross each year in search of better jobs and lives.

But the northern border has come under increasing scrutiny since 1999, when an Algerian arriving from British Columbia with a carload of bombmaking materials was charged with plotting to blow up Los Angeles International Airport.

Concern heightened after the Sept. 11 attacks and again this month, when Canadian authorities arrested 17 men, all Muslims, all Canadian citizens, on charges they planned to blow up Parliament and other landmarks.

The arrests sparked fears in the United States that home-grown Canadian terrorists could easily slip across a "Borderline Insecure," as a Canadian Senate committee called it in a report last year.

"If terrorists wanted to cripple Canada and simultaneously hobble the United States, where would they most likely strike?" the report asked. "An optimal target might well be the Ambassador Bridge."

As gloomy as this sounds, security on both sides of the land border has substantially increased since Sept. 11.

A new U.S. law requiring travelers to show passports by 2008 will make it harder for undesirables to move back and forth.

But the greater security on land only highlights the relative insecurity on the water.

"It'd be easy to get across," said Jamie Kennedy, an auto mechanic who was helping a friend repair his boat at the Ogdensburg marina, about a mile across the St. Lawrence River from Prescott, Ontario.

"If you turned the lights off in the middle of the night, no one will know it."

'Longest peaceful border' The U.S-Canadian border is often called the world's longest peaceful border.

Every year, it is legally crossed by more than 71 million people and $350 billion in goods, making each country the other's largest trading partner.

For about a third of its 4,000-mile length, the border runs through water the lakes and marshes of Minnesota, the vast expanse of the Great Lakes and finally the St. Lawrence River as it flows through a scenic maze of tiny, forested islands.

"It's a fluid border, an imaginary line, no fences, no markers," said Dick Ashlaw, the U.S. Border Patrol agent in charge of an area of northern New York.

"It's very difficult to patrol and guard."

It is in this part of New York that the vulnerability of the water border is most apparent.

In much of the region, the land slopes gently to the St. Lawrence, making it ideal for pleasure craft to tie up and unload passengers and cargo, legal or otherwise.

From there they can easily be transferred to vehicles waiting on lightly traveled roads that run close to the shoreline.

In the 1990s, when liquor taxes were higher in Canada than in the United States, the city of Cornwall, Ontario, seized and dumped so much illegal booze it started to contaminate the groundwater.

Cigarettes, firearms, guns

Today, smugglers spirit cigarettes and firearms into Canada, while the main activity in the other direction is drug smuggling, much of it high-quality marijuana.

Then there are the people who try to sneak across.

"For a long time it was predominantly Pakistanis and Indians, a lot of eastern Europeans, then Chinese," said Ashlaw, whose agents patrol a 40-mile stretch of river.

"These were people who got off the plane in Canada and claimed refugee status. They had no intention of staying in Canada, but it was easier to get into Canada."

In recent years, Asians have largely been replaced by other nationalities, including Arabs from the Middle East.

"Since 9/11 our mission has changed," Ashlaw said. "We're no longer looking at just illegal aliens, we've apprehended people with terrorist affiliations."
 

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yeah, i've been saying this for a while.

now, that article is from 2006, so i wouldn't count on it being 100% accurate, but i think the general gist is the same. you could probably do what you're saying if you can find someone willing to do that. of course if you get caught, you have to take full responsibility, not the guy captaining the boat, but that's what is sounds like you would do anyways.

other options would be train hopping across.
Yeah, I'm not one for letting someone get into any trouble for one of my ideas.

I've also thought about train hopping across or hiking through a heavily forested area if I need to. I've heard some stuff about X-Ray scans of trains going across the border or something but I haven't dug to deep into that topic so I don't know anything about it but if its true and it works too well I'm always up for a good hike through the woods, they can't cover every inch of open ground yet.
 

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